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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:16 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:In America, if you got money, people and the courts will hear you. You can do anything and be given a hearing.


Actually, in the US, you don't need any money to go to court to file cases for compensation on wrongful death or injury claims, if you and lawyers think you have a good case, because top law firms will represent you on a 60%-40% split in your favour with the winnings. It won't cost you a penny as the law firm will foot all the cost up front.


OK great. Isn't it wonderful to be in a country like America with due process and a legal system open to all.

Try doing that in Russia, and Pootin's cronies will make sure you disappear.

Do we have any Sep11 cases? If there are any good cases, then surely an opportunistic lawyer will take such a high profile case and get their 40% cut.

The cut is actually closer to 20% and I have seen 10% as well, from experience.


It all depends how sure thing your case is where you can negotiate with the law firm for them to take less %, but 60%-40% is an accepted starting point.


Well my life wife has 2 cases filed in Turkey through Achilleas Dimitriades and his Turkish Legal Associates in Turkey.
That one is 10% and there is a team of 5 lawyers involved.

So that must really be a sure thing.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:30 am

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Paphitis, now I don't know which side of the argument you are on? :?


I'm on the non conspiracy side of the argument.


That's what I thought, until what I thought that you were mocking my post to Robin. Just checking! :D
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:38 am

Kikapu wrote:
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Paphitis, now I don't know which side of the argument you are on? :?


I'm on the non conspiracy side of the argument.


That's what I thought, until what I thought that you were mocking my post to Robin. Just checking! :D


No I would never mock your posts. But I did think you were on Robin's side.

Fact is, no one is ever going to prove the other wrong. The worse thing anyone can do is tackle these theories.

But at the end of the day, people come up with these things because it's anti Government and anti establishment.

All well and good, but maybe they shall try living in Russia for a while and see the reality of it all.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:54 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:In America, if you got money, people and the courts will hear you. You can do anything and be given a hearing.


Actually, in the US, you don't need any money to go to court to file cases for compensation on wrongful death or injury claims, if you and lawyers think you have a good case, because top law firms will represent you on a 60%-40% split in your favour with the winnings. It won't cost you a penny as the law firm will foot all the cost up front.


OK great. Isn't it wonderful to be in a country like America with due process and a legal system open to all.

Try doing that in Russia, and Pootin's cronies will make sure you disappear.

Do we have any Sep11 cases? If there are any good cases, then surely an opportunistic lawyer will take such a high profile case and get their 40% cut.

The cut is actually closer to 20% and I have seen 10% as well, from experience.


It all depends how sure thing your case is where you can negotiate with the law firm for them to take less %, but 60%-40% is an accepted starting point.


Well my life wife has 2 cases filed in Turkey through Achilleas Dimitriades and his Turkish Legal Associates in Turkey.
That one is 10% and there is a team of 5 lawyers involved.

So that must really be a sure thing.


Either that or there are lots of hungry lawyers that need a job. Lets hope is the former.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:58 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis, now I don't know which side of the argument you are on? :?


I'm on the non conspiracy side of the argument.


That's what I thought, until what I thought that you were mocking my post to Robin. Just checking! :D


No I would never mock your posts. But I did think you were on Robin's side.

Fact is, no one is ever going to prove the other wrong. The worse thing anyone can do is tackle these theories.

But at the end of the day, people come up with these things because it's anti Government and anti establishment.

All well and good, but maybe they shall try living in Russia for a while and see the reality of it all.


No, I have never been on any conspiracy theorist bandwagon on 9/11. :D
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby kurupetos » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:18 pm

You're wasting your time. Same perpetrators.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:45 pm

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Either that or there are lots of hungry lawyers that need a job. Lets hope is the former.


Or some lawyers really wanting the high profile case which attracts a lot of publicity and will make them should they win.

Our lawyer is the same lawyer that has actually won some cases like Loizou and he is taking his clients through the Turkish legal system now through his associates in Turkey. It will be Turkish Lawyers who will be representing us in Turkey and they want to win for the reasons specified and because they will make a nice windfall. These layers are pretty established ones though, apparently very good ones too.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:49 pm

kurupetos wrote:You're wasting your time. Same perpetrators.


Not necessarily. It is possible to win in fact it is likely. the question is will we be happy with the compensation to not proceed to the ECHR according to the Lawyers who are actually working quite hard and depend on winning in order to be paid. Apart from potentially being paid quite a big sum of money should they win (ECHR), they would earn themselves a lot of publicity and notoriety.

They are actually Human Rights lawyers. But yes, the process could be rigged. But try telling that to these lawyers who are giving it a good shake.

However, should we lose our cases in Turkey, it is not the end of the road for us. Our cases will then progress to the ECHR is Hague. That is where we want to go.

The ECHR ruling is to pursue a local remedy. So it is a 3 stage process.

1) file in the "trnc"
2) file in the RoT
3) ECHR

We are at stage 2.

Stage 1, we had Achilleas Dimitriades.
Stage 2 we have 2 Turkish lawyers registered on the Turkish Bar.
And Stage 3 we are likely to have Achilease Dimitriades and his assistant, plus 2 or 3 RoT Lawyers representing us.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:59 pm

Paphitis:

Exactly what does your legal actions in Turkey have to do with 9/11 and/or the victims of that event? :?: :roll:
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Re: IN MEMORY OF 9/11 VICTIMS 15 YEARS ON.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:09 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:

Exactly what does your legal actions in Turkey have to do with 9/11 and/or the victims of that event? :?: :roll:


A lot actually.

The American legal system is very open and transparent. A lot better than Turkey's I have no doubt of that, and probably considered to be one of the best in the world.

The authorities are open to legal scrutiny in America, and can be challenged.

We as a family are attempting to challenge the Turkish government before their courts, and have been successful in filing which is a massive step even though Turkey is not renowned for proper due process with regards to the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus. They have incarcerated journalists for heaven's sake but that doesn't happen in America

Are we aware of any cases filed by the families of the Sep11 victims? You would think a class action would be on offer if there were still questions.

I know lawyers believe me, and most of them are looking to cut their teeth on that high profile murder case, HR case which will put them on TV and in the papers. that means more to their profession than the money. They all want that OJ Simpson legal circus. It doesn't matter if you are an American, or Turkish lawyer. A lawyer is a lawyer in any country and they all want the same thing (money and publicity). They all want publicity more than anything. Which is why MANY Turkish Lawyers are trying to represent GC refugees in Turkey. And there are many cases before their courts.

But there is no such case in America as far as I am aware. WHY?
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