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The Classic Browser feedback...

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At a quick glance how do you find the appearance of this browser?

I think it sucks big time!
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20%
It’s pretty average…
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40%
Looks pretty good.
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Quite impressive.
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20%
Astronomically brilliant!
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20%
Other...
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Total votes : 5

Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:31 am

Ready for your embarrassment Soto? :lol:

The problem is that you don’t know HOW to disable the cache Sotos. :)

When you learn how to properly do it; like a developer does not a Google Chrome user, you will get a screen that looks like the image below.

Because you CANNOT disable the Chromium cache from inside Chrome’s flags module because it’s NOT a user-level option!

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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:43 am

:roll: You can disable the use of the cache in which case Chrome will download all files every time instead of using its cache. But obviously by default Chrome uses its cache because it would be stupid not to ]. Your browser doesn't even have the ability to cache! You want congratulations for not having a basic feature which will make your browser slower? :lol:
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:48 am

Sotos wrote::roll: You can disable the use of the cache in which case Chrome will download all files every time instead of using its cache. But obviously by default Chrome uses its cache because it would be stupid not to ]. Your browser doesn't even have the ability to cache! You want congratulations for not having a basic feature which will make your browser slower? :lol:

You are a fool for taking me on given that I have been working with the Chromium engine for 3.5 years now producing full blown software, while you have zero experience.

I will never understand what compels you to assume you’re in a position to challenge me on Chromium matters when you’ve had no experience whatsoever! :?

I have to call your actions suicide! :?
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:03 am

I don't care about Chromium dude. What I am challenging is this bullshit:

Today’s Internet speeds are so fast that the disk cache has become obsolete for you can load a fresh copy of a website from the Internet faster than Chromium fetching it from its monstrous database, and I suspect the only reason popular browsers keep the cache is to honor what I mentioned above.
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:10 am

Sotos wrote:I don't care about Chromium dude. What I am challenging is this bullshit:

Today’s Internet speeds are so fast that the disk cache has become obsolete for you can load a fresh copy of a website from the Internet faster than Chromium fetching it from its monstrous database, and I suspect the only reason popular browsers keep the cache is to honor what I mentioned above.

You are not in a position to challenge it because you don’t have the knowledge of what is achievable with the engine.

Look, I don’t like to do this but you keep forcing me to expose your shortcomings:

For your info there are MANY caches…

1. The HTTP cache <-- this is the big motherfucker we need to kill
2. The Direct Draw font cache <-- Another big one, you can limit this too.
3. GPU Program cache <-- You can kill this if you want
4. GPU Shader cache <-- You can kill this if you want
5. Media cache <-- You can kill this if you want
6. Other browser specific caches <-- What you've done

Without acquiring this knowledge through study and research how the hell can someone challenge such matters? :?

Anyway, I'm done with this... if and when you learn to humble yourself I will pass onto you very valuable information about the Chromium engine that will serve you well.

But I doubt you'll ever change...
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:36 am

You are not in a position to challenge it because you don’t have the knowledge of what is achievable with the engine.


But you know better than those who made the engine? You know better that the engineering teams at Google, Microsoft etc? It is you who needs to learn to be humble. I don't make stupid claims like you are. What I say are things that I know to be facts. And the fact is that loading files from local disk cache is WAY faster than downloading the same files over the internet. This is true for all proper browsers no matter what engine they use.
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:03 am

Sotos wrote:
You are not in a position to challenge it because you don’t have the knowledge of what is achievable with the engine.


But you know better than those who made the engine? You know better that the engineering teams at Google, Microsoft etc? It is you who needs to learn to be humble. I don't make stupid claims like you are. What I say are things that I know to be facts. And the fact is that loading files from local disk cache is WAY faster than downloading the same files over the internet. This is true for all proper browsers no matter what engine they use.

It’s not a case of knowing better.

I’ve mentioned before that there are close to 1,300 flags available to fine-tune the engine. The combinations of these get very complex and nobody has been able to test all possible combinations. It’s next to impossible.

Everyone interested (mostly browser authors and Chromium contributors) is experimenting and there are discussions online going on as we speak for exchanging ideas etc about what works and what doesn’t.

Google GAVE UP the engine to a public domain development project some years ago so they too are now users like me, who wait for each STABLE version in anticipation. If anyone from Google is contributing to Chromium it is by choice as a volunteer outside of his employment hours.

As a profit making company, Google’s primary concern is to have a reliable vehicle through which to deliver their online services to the masses. This is achieved by having a stable non-experimental browser for public use.

Google is NOT interested in fine-tuning Chromium to extremes because they are not in a speed race. Their browser is fast enough to earn acclaim as is, so I doubt they care for extreme and risky things like I do. I’m a nobody in the market, so I don’t care if I break some rules to achieve a slight edge but they can’t afford to do so.

Google also has to abide by RULES with respect to HTML and other agreed conventions as the industry “standard”. They cannot ignore META tags like I can, so they have to have a disk cache to honor them. So at least for this reason they will have it.

If and when the META tags get tossed out the window Google will have a legal right to ignore them but not yet although we’re slowly getting there.

So it’s not a case of who is the cleverest, but who is interested and can afford to experiment the most… and that would be small-timers like me who have nothing to lose.
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:36 am

Google is sitting comfortably with some 70% of the market while I (about to become a newcomer in the race) am DESPERATE for *anything* that will give me a slight edge so I can use as a “selling point” to steal a tiny slice of the big pie.

For this reason I’m prepared to go to extremes to gain a little edge here and there, while Google couldn’t care less and will settle for safety because they are already successful.

So to answer your question (because I don't think I did earlier), I’m not cleverer than Google engineers… but far more desperate! :lol:
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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:15 pm

I really don't understand those with negative comments about GR's browser. The man has expertise, he has knowledge ands he has enthusiasm and drive. I personally would happily use GR's browser and would even boast to everyone that asks that it is developed by a friend. Good on you GR.

I hope I'm not stepping out of line or hijacking this thread but can I take this opportunity to ask you all experts about a problem I'm having? I use Royal Mail Despatch Manager On Line. I have a set up in my office that enables me to book all my post and for a daily collection by RM. This was only available on Internet Explorer by RM has now made it possible to do the on Chrome too.

My problem is I can only do this on IE because I'm unable to select the printer on Chrome. DMO has a set-up procedure, I'm able to carry out all other tasks apart from the printer. The printer I use to print the post labels is this "Eltron LP2742". On IE On the printer set-up procedure I simply select "select printer" and all the printer, scanner devices including the Eltron LP2742 are displayed and I just choose the Eltron. When I do this on Chrome none of the printer devices are populated in the box for me t select. Even if I manually enter the Eltron LP2742 in the printer settings when I check system requirements IE says all correct, as can be seen below but on Chrome (further down) I get Adobe reader not found. And of course it goes without saying Adobe Reader is installed and all seems OK. I'm of the belief that the problem is the fact that I cant even get my printer device to show on Chrome so I can select the Eltron. Any ideas? Thanks guys.

Your system met all system requirements:



Scripting: Enabled Correct

Operating System:

Windows 7
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Browser:
Microsoft Internet Explorer 11.x

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Plug-In:
Adobe Reader 10 or higher

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Popup window:
Enabled

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Scripting: Enabled Correct
Operating System:

Windows 7
Correct
Browser:
Google Chrome 53.x
Correct
Plug-In:
Adobe Reader NOT found

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Re: The Classic Browser feedback...

Postby boomerang » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:57 pm

Gr here is some advice....do not look to out do the opposition...look at their weaknesses and improve...then patent the technology...if good they buy from you...
Today re discovering the wheel, is extremely hard expecially when it comes to hi tech and limited resources......life is too short. ? Lol
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