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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:58 am

Let us examine a few of the pictures cited by the self-appointed deconstructor of the MSM in support of the Putin propaganda machine:

https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=phot ... C1EQsAQIIQ

and see how many even relate to the incident in question:

From left to right, top row:
1- Yes
2- Yes
3- Yes
4- Yes
Second row:
5- Yes
6- No: Sputnik file image of ‘Ramouseh district in south Aleppo liberated by the Syrian army’
7- Maybe – just a picture of a damaged Red Cross parcel
8- Yes
Third row:
1- No, just a group of Syrian Red Crescent workers standing in front of an intact lorry carrying aid
2- Yes
3- Yes
4- Yes (this one is from the website of Amnesty International, the organisation whose country reports clearly reveal Syria to be under a totalitarian regime that practices widespread torture against its own people)
Fourth row:
1- Yes
2- Yes
3- Yes
4- Yes
5- Yes
Fifth row:
1- No: a picture of Ban Ki Moon
2- Yes
3- Yes
4- Yes
5- No: a picture of Nigerian army spokesman, Colonel Sani Usman
Sixth row:
1- Yes
2- Yes
3- Yes
4- No: a logo
5- No: shows an intact red cross vehicle travelling through a Syrian town
Seventh row:
1- Yes
2- Yes
3- No: a picture of John Kerry and Sergey Lavrov
4- No: a picture of intact United Nations vehicles passing through a Syrian town
5- No: a map of Syria and Iraq showing the territory controlled by various groups
Eighth row:
1- Yes
2- No: what is described on the page as a ‘representational image’ of a warplane
3- No: picture of UNICEF staff administering health care in Nigeria
4- No: picture of Omar Barakat, Aleppo director for the Syrian Red Crescent
5- No: picture of Ban Ki Moon

I can’t be bothered continuing with this painful exercise, but so far it would appear that, of the photographs presented as supposedly incontrovertible evidence of something or other, only 23 out of 37 (a little better than 62%) even depict the event in question. How credible is that?
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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:06 am

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You have no opinion of your own ......



Yes, I do. In your little world, anybody who does not subscribe to your lunatic theories has no opinion. That's your problem. My opinion is that both the USA and Russia are neo-imperialistic powers which are engaged in the region in pursuit of their own interests and neither of them are there for the good of the local people. This is a view I have repeatedly expressed here and, to the best of my knowledge, is not one that is promoted by any branch of what you call the 'MSM'. I do not only see the wrongs committed by one side and remain blinded to the wrongs committed by the other.
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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:44 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
You have no opinion of your own ......



Yes, I do. In your little world, anybody who does not subscribe to your lunatic theories has no opinion. That's your problem. My opinion is that both the USA and Russia are neo-imperialistic powers which are engaged in the region in pursuit of their own interests and neither of them are there for the good of the local people. This is a view I have repeatedly expressed here and, to the best of my knowledge, is not one that is promoted by any branch of what you call the 'MSM'. I do not only see the wrongs committed by one side and remain blinded to the wrongs committed by the other.


Yes I have an opinion too, and I don't swallow everything from our western media that he accuses.

If anything, he is swallowing EVERYTHING from Pootin's mouth pieces and other nefarious websites which also have a very clear bias which is anti A erican and yet very pro Pootin. He takes it as gospel.

He has no opinion of his own, just an agenda much like his agenda about Banking and Finance, Capitalism and the ills of the Global Financial machine as well as his opposition to the TPP (presumable because the Americans are involved) and anything else even remotely associated with America and its allies.

A good measuring stick is to ask who has the most friends. And who are these friends. Will you give more credence to New Zealand, Canada or more credence to Iran and Syria.

In some countries you have the rule of law, human dignity/rights and in others nothing of the sort.

Sure, there are countries who are considered our friends who are in the latter group and considered friendly but it is a complicated world.
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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:07 am

Let's see how some of the claims made by the Putin propaganda machine stack up against the pictures cited in support thereof, even if only about 62% of them are actually relevant:

According to Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov ,“The monitoring finished when all humanitarian aid was delivered at around 10:40 GMT.”

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... onvoy.html

Well, the bombing happened later than that, so if all the aid had been delivered, surely the lorries would be have been empty when bombed. This is not what I see from the following picture published in Sputnik:

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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:13 am

According to Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, “There are no construction faults from the bust wave.”

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... onvoy.html

I don’t have enough knowledge to be able to comment, but I see structural damage to nearby buildings and who knows whether, in a war zone, they were already damaged or not or whether the damage is consistent with bombing:

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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:18 am

According to Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov ,“We have carefully studied videos by so-called activists from the site and found no signs of any ammunition striking the convoy. There are no shell holes, cars' bodies are not damaged.”

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... onvoy.html

I see damage to this lorry’s body – for one thing, its door is hanging off: (this image will not display here and you will need to click on the link)

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/09 ... rJumbo.jpg
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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:22 am

Robin Hood wrote:How did the Russians manage to bomb the trucks without damaging the power lines above and the supporting power poles?


The picture showing power lines above is a library picture of intact UNHCR lorries delivering aid. This picture does not purport to be of the bombed convey after it had been bombed:

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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:27 am

According to Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, “We have carefully studied videos by so-called activists from the site and found no signs of any ammunition striking the convoy. There are no shell holes, ....”

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... onvoy.html

Perhaps somebody could tell me what kind of holes those are in that vehicle:

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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:24 pm

Paphitis wrote:Yes we are in Syrian Airspace. Uninvited too!

Report us to the UN!

But, I don't think we care! Oh no! Which means there is nothing left but to attack!

Not only are we in Syria, but our ground forces control a big chunk of Syria.

Partition anyone? One day Assad will need a VISA from the Kurds but he will be arrested soon as he crosses and off we go The Hague!

Common sense my arse!


Of course ..... International Law only applies to other nations, not The Exceptional Nation, The Irreplaceable Nation...... they even set themselves above the ICC! Is it any wonder than when 'push-comes-to-shove' the US actually have very few real friends in this world! :roll:
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Re: Russia bomb UN AID Convoy

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:52 pm

John Kerry has called for a no-fly zone in parts of Syria.

The US Secretary of State has called for all planes to be grounded in key areas of Syria to save the truce there, following an attack on an aid convoy.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37432797
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