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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:32 pm

Robin Hood wrote:I agree with Paphitis on very few subjects but on this one I think he has offered quite a few sensible views.


You say that he is offering sensible views, yet his line of argument is that people in the remain camp are "in lalaland". Well, how is that any more sensible that branding those in the leave camp as "geriatric dim wits" - words, by the way, that you attribute to me but I have never used, so it is another example of your classic straw man tactics? My reference to there being a majority for remain among people in work overall was simply to rebut the assertion that people in the remain camp are all people with degrees and so in "lalaland" (wherever that is),while those who actually get their hands dirty supposedly voted leave. This has nothing whatsoever to do with branding those who voted leave "geriatric dim wits".
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:10 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:I agree with Paphitis on very few subjects but on this one I think he has offered quite a few sensible views.


You say that he is offering sensible views, yet his line of argument is that people in the remain camp are "in lalaland". Well, how is that any more sensible that branding those in the leave camp as "geriatric dim wits" - words, by the way, that you attribute to me but I have never used, so it is another example of your classic straw man tactics? My reference to there being a majority for remain among people in work overall was simply to rebut the assertion that people in the remain camp are all people with degrees and so in "lalaland" (wherever that is),while those who actually get their hands dirty supposedly voted leave. This has nothing whatsoever to do with branding those who voted leave "geriatric dim wits".


You are rather pedantic .... when it suits you? :roll:

You have done nothing but run down those you consider stupid enough to have voted to leave. You have been and almost endless source of doom-and-gloom. I really can't be assed to plough through all your posts on the subject but your sentiments have hardly been complimentary to those who happen to be a good bit older .... and maybe wiser ..... than you! So I don't apologise because you make your views very clear if not in those precise words. :roll:
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:30 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:You, as one who supported the argument to remain were also fed a lot of lies and misrepresentation, but the 'remoaners' never refer to their own howlers of doom-and-gloom which have not materialised.


Back again with your silly straw man fallacies, are you? Who on earth ever said that we would feel the negative effects of leaving the EU until it actually happens? You are reading too many comics like the Daily Express. That's where you get this ridiculous expression 'remoaners' from. Please quote one single authority who said the doom and gloom would take effect the day after the vote, while we are still EU members?


Once again you engineer your understanding to suit your argument. Did I mention the negative effects of leaving the EU?
NO! the lies were told during the campaign of fear that was propagated by Osborne and Cameron about what they would HAVE to do if the vote was to leave! Isn't that where the phrase 'Fear Campaign' came from.

Nobody knows what will happen, in any detail, when we apply Article 50, let alone two years or whatever, after that, All that is abundantly obvious is that 'our friends' in Europe, that you were so keen to remain with, will do as much harm as they can to the UK and its economy as punishment for having the audacity to tell them to shove their Federal State where the Sun don't shine! Nasty people ...... bad losers :x
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:57 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Nobody knows what will happen, in any detail, when we apply Article 50, let alone two years or whatever, after that, All that is abundantly obvious is that 'our friends' in Europe, that you were so keen to remain with, will do as much harm as they can to the UK and its economy as punishment for having the audacity to tell them to shove their Federal State where the Sun don't shine! Nasty people ...... bad losers :x


i 've heard this argument so many times that imo it's getting ridiculous. There's absolutely nothing the EU can do to "punish" the British economy, as there's absolutely nothing they can do to help it either. What he British think it would help, is just not possible,otherwise the EU would dig it's own grave.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:08 pm

how can you not be sure what is going to happen after brexit. the access to free market will end. the only way to have access to freemarket is to adhere to eu principles one of which is freedom of movement of people. As this is unacceptable to britain we shall have no agreement. so only trade allowed will be on wto rates unless the whole thing collapses and there are more chances of pigs flying.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:04 pm

Lordo wrote:how can you not be sure what is going to happen after brexit. the access to free market will end. the only way to have access to freemarket is to adhere to eu principles one of which is freedom of movement of people. As this is unacceptable to britain we shall have no agreement. so only trade allowed will be on wto rates unless the whole thing collapses and there are more chances of pigs flying.


Not even that can happen.Who is going to have control on products of the "free market" ??
Imagine now the British importing sugar cane from Asia setting up factories and selling so called "british Sugar" to the EU,like they were doing before. Or unleashing the seas and fishing out everything on the expense of others like they were doing before....
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:05 pm

Credit where it is due, Theresa May (un-elected PM) delivered Her speech outside No 10 and assured the general public that THEIR desires would be addressed with more consideration than those of the 'Big Business' operators who have for so long dictated the rules in the UK.

Her first opportunity to implement such a promise came when She allowed the 'Big Business' operators to override the desires of the general public in 'Blackpool' (and elsewhere) who are concerned about the dangers of 'Fracking' in their regions.

Her second 'Stand', to implement article 50 without consultation with MPs (or any parliamentary debate on the matter) has also apparently 'Hit the Kerb'.......looks like the 'Old Girl' is living up to Her previous record in government, maybe She is a little disgruntled about losing the 'Brexit' vote and hasn't yet fathomed how to leap from one side of the fence to the other without being noticed. :lol:

What with Her in the UK and 'Trump and Clinton' in the US, small wonder 'Paddy' said, "Jayzus, the world is in a state of Chassis !" :lol:
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:17 pm

Lordo wrote:how can you not be sure what is going to happen after brexit. the access to free market will end. the only way to have access to freemarket is to adhere to eu principles one of which is freedom of movement of people. As this is unacceptable to britain we shall have no agreement. so only trade allowed will be on wto rates unless the whole thing collapses and there are more chances of pigs flying.


You don't know that, neither does anyone else ..... otherwise there would be no need for A-50 and we could just resign, tear up the 28,000 pages of EU directives/rules/legislation and go on our merry way to trade with who we want on mutually beneficial terms. But, apparently it ain't that simple! :roll:

What you are implying is that any country wishing to trade with Europe has to have free movement of EU citizens in their country or the EU will impose trade tariffs? But ..... that cuts both ways! :roll:
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:26 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Credit where it is due, Theresa May (un-elected PM) delivered Her speech outside No 10 and assured the general public that THEIR desires would be addressed with more consideration than those of the 'Big Business' operators who have for so long dictated the rules in the UK.

Her first opportunity to implement such a promise came when She allowed the 'Big Business' operators to override the desires of the general public in 'Blackpool' (and elsewhere) who are concerned about the dangers of 'Fracking' in their regions.

Her second 'Stand', to implement article 50 without consultation with MPs (or any parliamentary debate on the matter) has also apparently 'Hit the Kerb'.......looks like the 'Old Girl' is living up to Her previous record in government, maybe She is a little disgruntled about losing the 'Brexit' vote and hasn't yet fathomed how to leap from one side of the fence to the other without being noticed. :lol:

What with Her in the UK and 'Trump and Clinton' in the US, small wonder 'Paddy' said, "Jayzus, the world is in a state of Chassis !" :lol:


Finally!

Back on form. :D

Agree 100% (not that my agreement means anything .....)
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:31 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:how can you not be sure what is going to happen after brexit. the access to free market will end. the only way to have access to freemarket is to adhere to eu principles one of which is freedom of movement of people. As this is unacceptable to britain we shall have no agreement. so only trade allowed will be on wto rates unless the whole thing collapses and there are more chances of pigs flying.


Not even that can happen.Who is going to have control on products of the "free market" ??
Imagine now the British importing sugar cane from Asia setting up factories and selling so called "british Sugar" to the EU,like they were doing before. Or unleashing the seas and fishing out everything on the expense of others like they were doing before....

you clearly have no idea how it all works. of course uk could bring anything from anywhere and sell it to the eu under the old agreement, which is why we had to pay them 350 million a week for doing it. of course it was more than that but mrs t got us rebate on that payement.

the point is nothing will change till after article 50 is declared and brexit accomplished. it is then that we shall feel the pain. all trade will have wto rates of tax and you will have to pay more going on holiday to any eu country like the rest of the world. of course the loss due to pound dropping has already been felt and after brexit is done we shall feel it even more.
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