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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:58 am

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Jerry wrote:And in the news today I read of Nissan considering moving production of the new Nissan Juke to Europe, it can't wait for two years to see what tariffs are agreed. Nissan is the UK's largest car maker producing about one third of UK car output. The factory is in Sunderland where over 60% voted to leave the EU. I always thought that many (but not all) Geordies were thick.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 48066.html


I confess to having no expertise in the subject but that sounds like quite an expensive undertaking.


Not if you already have production facilities in Europe and you want to build a new assembly line for a new model, in this case the new Nissan Juke. The new line would cost wherever it was built.


That means they were always going to move with the new model.

It was either build the new line in Britain or EU.

a lot of doomsayers around, but i only see positives.


Your first and second sentences in you last post are contradictions - make up your mind. If the UK was as successful at exporting as Germany I'd say we would have good prospects but UK has lost too much of its manufacturing base. Our importance to Europe was highlighted by the argument that half of our imports come from Europe but that 50% is only 14% of EU exports. The EU will find it much easier to replace its lost market than the UK will. We hear the argument that Germany, for instance, can't afford to lose its lucrative car exports to UK but most of those are sold here at inflated prices because they are perceived as premium models. BMW and Mercedes could afford to drop prices to maintain their market share.

We are debating with the EU at the moment about keeping reciprocal tariff free trade with the EU versus free movement of labour. Our new PM insists that we take control of our borders and restrict immigration but the EU says in that case you cannot have tariff free trade, quite frankly this whole Brexit business is a bloody mess and it's going to get worse.
What makes me really angry is the fact that the vote was swung by the racist views of a few hundred thousand xenophobes and clowns like Boris and Nigel feeding them blatant lies.


What first and second post. Please explain because the contradiction is lost on me.

Firstly, the UK is a strong exporter. They even make components for Airbus Aircraft and the Eurofighter and that's big business. OK, maybe not as big as Germany in manufacturing but Germany is on the way down and it is in Europe.

Secondly, no one needs to be as strong as Germany in exports to have a strong economy. The OECD is in transition. We all know it. Even Mercedes Benz will be purely built in Turkey and Brazil one day, not Germany so the exports will be from those countries.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:03 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...


They indicated a while ago that they have to organise their negotiations teams, as well as formulate a strategy on how they want the negotiations to proceed rather than get caught out in the bureaucracy. They always said they will invoke Article 50 when they are ready.

It also gives them a head start to hedge their bets by beginning preliminary FTA discussions with other countries like USA and Australia which have already set up preliminary negotiations for this purpose.

But now that we know Article 50 is inevitable, the heathens against BREXIT are foaming at the mouth calling everyone arseholes, white trash, little Englanders etc. They just can't accept the democratic will of the British people for what it is. Also, all the doom and Gloom.

Well doomsayers, why don't you all move to Germany and work on a Mercedes production line with all the Turks. I would offer you all a lift to the Airport if I could.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:06 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:07 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.


It's not that. They are doing their homework and they also get a freebie head start with FTA discussions with USA and Australia just in case things go pear shaped.

It's not going to be easy once Article 50 is invoked and the EU will try and make life as difficult as possible, so they need to be ready and not go into the shitstorm with their eyes shut.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:19 am

Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.


I agree totally. It's a "bite the bullet" bet that they won't take... :wink:
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:27 am

Paphitis wrote:
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Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.


It's not that. They are doing their homework and they also get a freebie head start with FTA discussions with USA and Australia just in case things go pear shaped.

It's not going to be easy once Article 50 is invoked and the EU will try and make life as difficult as possible, so they need to be ready and not go into the shitstorm with their eyes shut.


That's what you imagine of what they should do Paphitis. We know how "governments" work... Whatever discussions/agreements the do with the US Australia etc will have a minimal effect on after Brexit Armageddon.You seem to forget that trading over distance and isolation is a huge burden that stalls everything. That's the central idea in forming the EU on the first place. I've read in the other topic some of you thinking the UK will be better off in 5 years. Make it minimum 40. In the meantime 2 generations will be gone.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Jerry » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:54 am

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What first and second post. Please explain because the contradiction is lost on me.


Read my post again very slowly. :D
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:45 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
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Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.


It's not that. They are doing their homework and they also get a freebie head start with FTA discussions with USA and Australia just in case things go pear shaped.

It's not going to be easy once Article 50 is invoked and the EU will try and make life as difficult as possible, so they need to be ready and not go into the shitstorm with their eyes shut.


That's what you imagine of what they should do Paphitis. We know how "governments" work... Whatever discussions/agreements the do with the US Australia etc will have a minimal effect on after Brexit Armageddon.You seem to forget that trading over distance and isolation is a huge burden that stalls everything. That's the central idea in forming the EU on the first place. I've read in the other topic some of you thinking the UK will be better off in 5 years. Make it minimum 40. In the meantime 2 generations will be gone.


Yeh I know how Government works don't worry about that. My wife is in the thick of it.

If they don't do what they say, then it is the end of the May Government. And I am pretty sure Theresa may is not going to want to show weakness and do a back-flip on this because she might as well resign right now and avoid embarrassment.

Not only this, but UKIP will reach new highs in its support and potentially replace The Conservatives. The defect rate will be unprecedented potentially.

The only potential impact is whether the UK will have a FTA with the EU. I think you can safely deduce that there will be. If not, an FTA with America, is going to alleviate a lot of impact.

The only shit fight impact that will be very scathing will be the political impact because Juncker and his merry band of fascists are a bunch of bullies. They will try and put it over Britain, but they will fail.

I think it is delusional to expect Britain won't invoke Article 50. Even delaying it from March next year will have political ramifications for May, as she will appear disorganized and maybe even weak.

The expectation overseas is that May will invoke Article 50 soon, and free Trade delegations are already meeting their Australian counterparts to forge an agreement despite Australia already having a FTA with the EU. So basically, they are covering off the UK which they know will be excluded if there isn't another agreement.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:51 am

Jerry wrote:
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What first and second post. Please explain because the contradiction is lost on me.


Read my post again very slowly. :D


My life is not long enough especially when your posts are full of bitterness, doom and gloom and negativity. Sorry!

If you are unwilling to explain to me what my contradiction is, then I won't play your silly twisted game.

I for one am a BIG supporter of BREXIT. I would support ANY EU EXIT. The ultimate goal is the liberation of Greece and Cyprus from their masters! Being a slave to this EU nonsense, and that's what they are, is an indignity and I came to that realization during the Greek and Cypriot financial crisis.

Fact is, the precedence has been set with Greece and Cyprus. The precedence is this. If your economy faulters, or you have a banking collapse, then your State is unviable and requires austerity. look at the social impact in Greece. the country is literally torn apart.

I'm not going to take it in the bum from Juncker and his merry band of fascists.

I can also fully understand WHY many Brits support BREXIT too. this isn't some little Englander, or stupid outcome from people that do not know, or from people that had lower education levels than pro EU voters (ridiculous). I respect their democratic wishes, and frankly, the EU bought this upon itself with its disastrous open border and free movement policy which Britain suffers from the most.

that is because it is true that out of all the EU countries, Britain has the most generous Social and welfare policies as well as a world class Health System NHS. These will not be available to Britons one day if the current situation remains because it is unsustainable in an ageing population. See what happened to Greece which had a birth rate of 1.1 per family. BANKRUPTCY!

Basically, Britain will become a Muslim country in a couple of decades within the EU. Wages and conditions are in decline because of the influx of eastern European labor. And all you morons are worried about is a car manufacturer that is having a hissy fit and considering on moving production to the EU which might have happened anyway. Maybe they want to take advantage of lower work conditions and exploit eastern European workers which the British Unions will have more power to combat outside of the EU. Ever thought of that? No of course not! I'm sure this thought must have occured to most people because ask yourself WHY business and corporations favor the EU and are having hissy fits like you.

Here is a thought. Why not just accept the outcome of the referendum and desist from the negativity because there is a lot riding on this, not only for Britain but for others as well? otherwise, we literally are doomed when countries can't set their own financial policies.
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Re: Theresa May's declaration.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:28 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
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Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok so they announced they would invoke article 50 in about 5 months from today. The question is why not TODAY?
there;s only one explanation:They want to measure the repercussions...

I suspect they’ll just keep finding excuses to postpone it indefinitely in fear of the unknown.

I think it’s next to impossible for experts to draw any realistic financial comparisons due to the sheer complexity and unforeseen domino effects of the whole package.

The Australians have a great expression to describe how one can proceed in such scenarios; they call it a “suck it and see”, and that's exactly what the Brits will eventually have to do.


It's not that. They are doing their homework and they also get a freebie head start with FTA discussions with USA and Australia just in case things go pear shaped.

It's not going to be easy once Article 50 is invoked and the EU will try and make life as difficult as possible, so they need to be ready and not go into the shitstorm with their eyes shut.


That's what you imagine of what they should do Paphitis. We know how "governments" work... Whatever discussions/agreements the do with the US Australia etc will have a minimal effect on after Brexit Armageddon.You seem to forget that trading over distance and isolation is a huge burden that stalls everything. That's the central idea in forming the EU on the first place. I've read in the other topic some of you thinking the UK will be better off in 5 years. Make it minimum 40. In the meantime 2 generations will be gone.


She can't make it any clearly than this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... mmons-vot/

not even a parliamentary vote will be called and according to Constitutional Lawyers, there is no requirement for one as the people have voted.
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