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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:39 pm

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miltiades wrote:Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.


The coalition have already supported Iraq's position which clearly states that any Turkish Troops on Iraqi soil are not welcome.

Turkey is obligated to respect the sovereignty and wishes of the Iraqi Government.

Just like your coalition respects the same ideals in Syria? Oh I forgot ..... you are part of the Exceptional and Indispensable' Nation ..... these principals don't apply to you!

Any interference by Turkey will be a disruption to the entire operation.

And no, I do not waste my time with the bias of the so called "Dr Marcus Papadopoulos" I will not waste my time unless his material is done in conjunction with other Western academics from western countries.

You don't read anything ..... a quick scan of the propaganda sheets and your imagination yo fill in the spaces, is all it takes ...... where LIES are the truth and TRUTH is the lies!


What a classic example you are of what a good dose of brainwashing can do with a simple mind! You remind me of the three monkeys ..... see no evil .... hear no evil .... and speak no evil! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:41 pm

Yes of course! It's about freedom of speech like the kind we see in Russia! Sure!

And, Pootin is a War Criminal hence the revived embargoes and freezing of Russian media assets.

As to what will occur in Mosul, the world will see for themselves. What they won't see are deliberate War Crimes from the Coalition and we hope the Iraqis don't either otherwise there will be discontent.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby miltiades » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:47 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.


The coalition have already supported Iraq's position which clearly states that any Turkish Troops on Iraqi soil are not welcome.

Turkey is obligated to respect the sovereignty and wishes of the Iraqi Government.

Any interference by Turkey will be a disruption to the entire operation.

And no, I do not waste my time with the bias of the so called "Dr Marcus Papadopoulos" I will not waste my time unless his material is done in conjunction with other Western academics from western countries.

There is nothing " so called" about Dr Papadopoulos. He is qualified and you are not.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:53 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.


The coalition have already supported Iraq's position which clearly states that any Turkish Troops on Iraqi soil are not welcome.

Turkey is obligated to respect the sovereignty and wishes of the Iraqi Government.

Any interference by Turkey will be a disruption to the entire operation.

And no, I do not waste my time with the bias of the so called "Dr Marcus Papadopoulos" I will not waste my time unless his material is done in conjunction with other Western academics from western countries.

There is nothing " so called" about Dr Papadopoulos. He is qualified and you are not.


I'm sorry but my wife is a Real Dr in Philosophy. She is an International Politics expert focusing on refugees and migration of people from War Zones. She started with Cyprus, then Bosnia and now Syria and Iraq.

She has a far greater insight into Syria than all of you combined and is now working on Syria and Iraq. She is especially focusing on Kurds of Iraq, Syria and Turkey and collaborating with another very esteemed person. And she is held in high regard within Government and known to the top echelons of policy makers.

It takes a lot to build credibility in Academia, and this Marcus is going about it the wrong way.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:56 pm

Paphitis wrote:Yes of course! It's about freedom of speech like the kind we see in Russia! Sure!

Have you ever watched RT ? You should it is very level and gives far more info than the BBC and you would also see that there Is virtually no anti-US propaganda ...... they just tell it as it comes from the US ..... and the Russian people are allowed to watch it ..... although it comes under 'Comedy and entertainment'. (Not to be taken seriously)

And, Pootin is a War Criminal hence the revived embargoes and freezing of Russian media assets.

You have all the proof you need then .... do you? How about sharing it with us? :roll:

As to what will occur in Mosul, the world will see for themselves. What they won't see are deliberate War Crimes from the Coalition and we hope the Iraqis don't either otherwise there will be discontent.

Same old propaganda! :roll: Yes ....... your Ministry of propaganda will tell you the truth ..... and tell you that anything to the contrary is all lies and Russian propaganda! Yeah ..... I believe you. :roll: Thank goodness I can still get RT on my PC.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:01 pm

Well we have seen Pootin's and Assad's debacle in Aleppo. Oh yes, this was suppose to have finished 6 months ago but many War Crimes since and the rebels are still fucking them right up.

Now it's our turn in Aleppo and really sorry, but the way we do business is very different to the way Pootin/Assad do business. This will be obvious to everyone.

The coalition will bring a much quicker and more clinical closure to DAESH in Mosul and without the war crimes or reducing the city to a pile.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:04 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.


The coalition have already supported Iraq's position which clearly states that any Turkish Troops on Iraqi soil are not welcome.

Turkey is obligated to respect the sovereignty and wishes of the Iraqi Government.

Any interference by Turkey will be a disruption to the entire operation.

And no, I do not waste my time with the bias of the so called "Dr Marcus Papadopoulos" I will not waste my time unless his material is done in conjunction with other Western academics from western countries.

There is nothing " so called" about Dr Papadopoulos. He is qualified and you are not.


Is this guy collaborating with another academic? If so, WHO?

Is someone willing to sign their name to his works and contribute? Another institution perhaps?
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:11 pm

No I didn't think so. Because it's just politics to most of you.

But to my wife it's about HR, and justice because she is a refugee herself, like the millions of Syrians fleeing Assad. And yes, they are fleeing Assad not DAESH.

DAESH have only committed a fraction of all the atrocities in Syria. Another inconvenient hard fact.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:36 pm

This appeared two days ago ..... just shows you how the independent journalists find out what is happening ........... often before the event. It would seem that George Orwell was not that far out with his predictions. Freedom of speech .... democracy ...... it is going the other way by all accounts!

West is Gunning for Russian Media Ban - By Finian Cunningham

........ It would be monumental, but Western states seem to be moving, ineluctably, towards banning Russian news media channels from satellite platforms and the internet. That outcome – albeit with enormous ethical and political implications – seems to be a logical conclusion of the increasingly frenzied transatlantic campaign to demonize Russia.

Washington, London and Paris appear to be coordinating an unprecedented media onslaught that is vilifying Russia for almost every conceivable malfeasance, from alleged war crimes in Syria to threatening the security of Europe, to shooting down civilian airliners, to subverting American presidential elections. And that’s only a sample.

British foreign secretary Boris Johnson declared this week that Russia is in danger of becoming a «pariah state». Ironically, that fate has less to do with Russia’s actual conduct and more to do with the desired objective driving Western policy towards Moscow – to isolate and portray Russia as an international reprobate.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45687.htm
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:Well we have seen Pootin's and Assad's debacle in Aleppo. Oh yes, this was suppose to have finished 6 months ago but many War Crimes since and the rebels are still fucking them right up.

Now it's our turn in Aleppo and really sorry, but the way we do business is very different to the way Pootin/Assad do business. This will be obvious to everyone.

The coalition will bring a much quicker and more clinical closure to DAESH in Mosul and without the war crimes or reducing the city to a pile.


For your coalition to go anywhere near Aleppo .... would be a breach of International Law, a breach of the UN Resolutions, a crime against humanity and a war crime. The way YOU do business is certainly nothing to be proud of and yes what happens in Mosul will be very obvious to every one. The only problem with that is that the way things are going the people in the West will only have your sources telling the story and if anything goes wrong you will blame it all on Russia anyway.

That is the way the west seems to work these days ...... I used to think the British and the Americans were the good guys standing up for freedom and democracy .... no more! I have grown up enough no to see through the smoke and mirrors. You obviously have not! :roll:
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