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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Schnauzer » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:37 pm

Dr Marcus Papadopoulos is a 'Poofter'.

(according to the 'Grapevine). :shock:
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby miltiades » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:55 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Dr Marcus Papadopoulos is a 'Poofter'.

(according to the 'Grapevine). :shock:

You are a pervert, so what!
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Schnauzer » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:16 pm

miltiades wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Dr Marcus Papadopoulos is a 'Poofter'.

(according to the 'Grapevine). :shock:

You are a pervert, so what!


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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:07 am

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Paphitis wrote:Well we have seen Pootin's and Assad's debacle in Aleppo. Oh yes, this was suppose to have finished 6 months ago but many War Crimes since and the rebels are still fucking them right up.

Now it's our turn in Aleppo and really sorry, but the way we do business is very different to the way Pootin/Assad do business. This will be obvious to everyone.

The coalition will bring a much quicker and more clinical closure to DAESH in Mosul and without the war crimes or reducing the city to a pile.


For your coalition to go anywhere near Aleppo .... would be a breach of International Law, a breach of the UN Resolutions, a crime against humanity and a war crime. The way YOU do business is certainly nothing to be proud of and yes what happens in Mosul will be very obvious to every one. The only problem with that is that the way things are going the people in the West will only have your sources telling the story and if anything goes wrong you will blame it all on Russia anyway.

That is the way the west seems to work these days ...... I used to think the British and the Americans were the good guys standing up for freedom and democracy .... no more! I have grown up enough no to see through the smoke and mirrors. You obviously have not! :roll:


Don't ever think that International Law applies with regard to Syria.

We can do what we like. Assad/Pootin are violating international law and conducting war crimes, hence we can occupy, go near Aleppo and even engage Syrian Forces if we want to. No one is going to say a thing and at the same time ignore war crimes because there would be zero credibility.

In addition, Assad's legitimacy is in serious question, but not as far as the coalition is concerned which don't recognize his authority.

If Assad has an issue, then go to the ICJ.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby miltiades » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:23 am

You are forgetting that the only legitimate internationally recognized government of Syria is that of Assad. The Russians were invited by the legal Syrian government in order to help in defeating the islamists and to bring peace to Syria.

The coalition was not requested to enter the conflict. Supporting Al Qaeda offshoots such as Al-Nusra, now calling it self Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, as well as other jihadists is not only disgraceful but damn right irresponsible. Assad never presented a threat to the West, these islamist groups are no different from Isis and all other terrorist Islamic groups.

You appear to be fully and unconditionally in support of Saudi Arabia, an evil regime, Turkey a ....beacon of ....democracy :lol:
no doubt both of these two countries share your views entirely. :lol: :lol:
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:28 am

It's not recognized by the coalition. You will also find it's not recognized by dozens of countries.

Don't expect the RoC to invite Assad on an official visit ever again because that will be taken as a legitimate state like the RoC being in support of war crimes and it will undermine the very foundations of International Law and there will be severe repercussions which will not be in the RoC's favour.

The Coalition cannot recognize Assad. It cannot cooperate with any operations even if it were DAESH within Aleppo. We cannot in all seriousness be cooperating with anyone who uses Chlorine Gas, Phosphate, Napalm, Cluster Bombs and Barrel Bombs.

These are War Crimes. The coalition can hold its head up within the ICJ and the United Nations. Assad and Pootin can't.

There are clear differentiations between the sides. Our side will never seek victory with a sledgehammer against civilians.

Our side seeks a political solution not a military solution.

Because of our higher stance, Assad has lost the war and the history books will reflect this and also record the War Crimes for all eternity until justice is served.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby miltiades » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:36 am

Apart from its support of the islamist jihadis has the coalition achieved anything at all in Syria thus far? Russia has.

You are telling us all that you support the aims of Saudi Arabia and Turkey, that says a great deal !!

Assad will survive, the coalition has failed miserably , as for war crimes , propaganda exists on all sides. Only Assad can bring stability and peace to Syria. Can you name just one leading individual that would be capable of uniting Syria and putting an end to this dreadful conflict ?

There are more than one hundred islamist groups involved in this war. Which group has a prominent leader able to bring peace and stability to Syria. You do not know and neither does the coalition.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby CBBB » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:40 am

Robin Hood wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

The UK Government is obviously worried that RT will release the pictures of the civilian slaughterand destruction in Mosul, that the coalition don’t want the people to see and also the evidence of ISIL terrorists they are letting escape to carry on the fight in Syria as was released by RT a few days ago. As one commentator said: “RT has been 'sailing too close to the truth'.”!


How does freezing their bank accounts stop them from publishing anything?



Difficult to run a business when you have no means to pay your staff or the bills. :roll:


They pay their staff and bills in Russia from their accounts in the UK?
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:48 am

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Well we have seen Pootin's and Assad's debacle in Aleppo. Oh yes, this was suppose to have finished 6 months ago but many War Crimes since and the rebels are still fucking them right up.

Now it's our turn in Aleppo and really sorry, but the way we do business is very different to the way Pootin/Assad do business. This will be obvious to everyone.

The coalition will bring a much quicker and more clinical closure to DAESH in Mosul and without the war crimes or reducing the city to a pile.


For your coalition to go anywhere near Aleppo .... would be a breach of International Law, a breach of the UN Resolutions, a crime against humanity and a war crime. The way YOU do business is certainly nothing to be proud of and yes what happens in Mosul will be very obvious to every one. The only problem with that is that the way things are going the people in the West will only have your sources telling the story and if anything goes wrong you will blame it all on Russia anyway.

That is the way the west seems to work these days ...... I used to think the British and the Americans were the good guys standing up for freedom and democracy .... no more! I have grown up enough no to see through the smoke and mirrors. You obviously have not! :roll:


Don't ever think that International Law applies with regard to Syria.

We can do what we like. Assad/Pootin are violating international law and conducting war crimes, hence we can occupy, go near Aleppo and even engage Syrian Forces if we want to. No one is going to say a thing and at the same time ignore war crimes because there would be zero credibility.

In addition, Assad's legitimacy is in serious question, but not as far as the coalition is concerned which don't recognize his authority.

If Assad has an issue, then go to the ICJ.


That is the attitude of the US and its allies to ...... International Law, Geneva Convention, UN resolutions, authority of the ICC or the ICJ .... summed up to a tee! That is where all your arguments fail ..... it is one law for the US and a different one for everyone else at the US's discretion of course. That is the description of a DICTATORSHIP which is exactly what the US is aiming for.

Such an attitude is nothing more than arrogance in the extreme, which YOU never fail to demonstrate. :x
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:55 am

CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

The UK Government is obviously worried that RT will release the pictures of the civilian slaughterand destruction in Mosul, that the coalition don’t want the people to see and also the evidence of ISIL terrorists they are letting escape to carry on the fight in Syria as was released by RT a few days ago. As one commentator said: “RT has been 'sailing too close to the truth'.”!


How does freezing their bank accounts stop them from publishing anything?



Difficult to run a business when you have no means to pay your staff or the bills. :roll:


They pay their staff and bills in Russia from their accounts in the UK?


Try to keep up! RT have offices and studios in London and in Washington.(at least ... maybe in other cities as well) Their employees are mostly nationals of those countries and would be paid in local currency. If you ever watched RT or any of their excellent news and open discussion programmes you would have realised that. :roll:
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