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So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:51 pm

Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

The UK Government is obviously worried that RT will release the pictures of the civilian slaughterand destruction in Mosul, that the coalition don’t want the people to see and also the evidence of ISIL terrorists they are letting escape to carry on the fight in Syria as was released by RT a few days ago. As one commentator said: “RT has been 'sailing too close to the truth'.”!

Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

Reaction to the news, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova said on Facebook today: 'It looks like, as it leaves the EU, London has decided to leave behind all its obligations towards freedom of speech. As they say, best to start a new life without bad habits.'

No reason was given for the decision.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3843634/Bank-accounts-Russian-state-broadcaster-Russia-Today-FROZEN-UK.html#ixzz4NLjN0nwN
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:00 pm

It's freezing the assets of criminal organisations which are benefitting from the proceeds given to them by a War Criminal.

Russia Today is the last to be talking about free speech too!
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby CBBB » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:08 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

The UK Government is obviously worried that RT will release the pictures of the civilian slaughterand destruction in Mosul, that the coalition don’t want the people to see and also the evidence of ISIL terrorists they are letting escape to carry on the fight in Syria as was released by RT a few days ago. As one commentator said: “RT has been 'sailing too close to the truth'.”!


How does freezing their bank accounts stop them from publishing anything?
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:22 pm

The Iraqis are in charge of the operation. Coalition and Peshmerga are supporting the Iraqi Government.

Civilians will be killed. But never will they be specifically targeted.

There will be no Chemical Warfare, no cluster bombs, no phosphate, no napalm, and we don't even have barrel bombs. No hospitals, schools or mosques will be targeted. Only Assad and Pootin are renowned for these crimes.

If they are, the Coalition abandons the operation. No coalition country will stand accused of war crimes.

In addition, there is a reason why the Coalition waited this long. The Iraqis needed training and we needed time for them to exhaust their munitions, funds and their will to fight.

It is a big possibility that this operation will end within days but I could be wrong.

What will occur is that once Mosul is liberated, it will still be largely intact and a functional city and not a pile of rubble like Aleppo. Journalists will be able to come and document everything when it is safe to do so.

The precedence I use is the liberation of Dabiq. It took Turkey and the FSA just days to take Dabiq from ISIL.

Contrast that to Pootin and Assad and the pile of rubble as well as the legacy of criminality and war crimes in Aleppo!

The history books will not be kind to Pootin or Assad. They will go down as War Criminals at large until justice is served.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:26 pm

Paphitis wrote:It's freezing the assets of criminal organisations which are benefitting from the proceeds given to them by a War Criminal.

Russia Today is the last to be talking about free speech too!


So it's a 'criminal organisation' is it! What is your source for that gem? We all know your sources are 100% truthful and accurate and would never tell you untruths or not tell you things they don't want you to be aware of? I don't suppose you are smart enough to realise that it is ONLY channels like RT that give you death and casualty figures for WESTERN Aleppo due to terrorist rocket attacks and gas canisters filled with scrap metal and high explosive ..... 5 children killed two days ago and another five injured? It happens almost daily but you don't get to hear about that.... these deaths don't get a mention in your news sources. Your sources don't mention the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the displacement and starvation of millionsa in Yemen with weapons supplied by the UK and the US either ......... RT does!

Irrespective of RT's content ...... are we not ensured of free speech within limits i.e. No racial or anti- Semitic comments etc. and the right to choose what we want to read.? Read what Pail Craig Roberts has to say about the UK's action.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/17/the-idiot-british-government/
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:27 pm

CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Bank accounts of Russian state broadcaster Russia Today are FROZEN in the UK

The UK Government is obviously worried that RT will release the pictures of the civilian slaughterand destruction in Mosul, that the coalition don’t want the people to see and also the evidence of ISIL terrorists they are letting escape to carry on the fight in Syria as was released by RT a few days ago. As one commentator said: “RT has been 'sailing too close to the truth'.”!


How does freezing their bank accounts stop them from publishing anything?



Difficult to run a business when you have no means to pay your staff or the bills. :roll:
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:29 pm

They should consider themselves lucky we don't throw them in jail or kill them like Pootin would do.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby miltiades » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:55 pm

Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:22 pm

miltiades wrote:Will the coalition say anything about Turkey having troops in Iraq ? Like hell it will !!
Paphitis, do listen to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos and do tell us your views.


The coalition have already supported Iraq's position which clearly states that any Turkish Troops on Iraqi soil are not welcome.

Turkey is obligated to respect the sovereignty and wishes of the Iraqi Government.

Any interference by Turkey will be a disruption to the entire operation.

And no, I do not waste my time with the bias of the so called "Dr Marcus Papadopoulos" I will not waste my time unless his material is done in conjunction with other Western academics from western countries.
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Re: So much for Western democracy/free speech!

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:29 pm

I would have expected no lesser observations from you! :roll:

Paphiyis;
The Iraqis are in charge of the operation. Coalition and Peshmerga are supporting the Iraqi Government.

The Iraqi Army couldn’t organise a ‘p*ss up in a brewery’. The US coalition is running the operation.
Civilians will be killed. But never will they be specifically targeted.

Just as they are never deliberately targeted by The Syrian forces and their allies in Syria. Absolutely nothing to be gained from deliberately committing war crimes ...... but you would find that too difficult to work out, because you are driven by hatred for Putin ..... even over ISIS!
There will be no Chemical Warfare, no cluster bombs, no phosphate, no napalm, and we don't even have barrel bombs. No hospitals, schools or mosques will be targeted. Only Assad and Pootin are renowned for these crimes.

The terrorist use all the above armaments apart from barrel bombs, and all supplied by members of your coalition..... they also use civilians as human shields, have blocked the safe routes to Western Aleppo and shoot those that attempt to escape or, murder the relatives of those that manage to get out.
If they are, the Coalition abandons the operation. No coalition country will stand accused of war crimes.

Yes of course they will ...... but western countries have committed thousands of war crimes from Japan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq x 2, Libya and now Syria. Or were you not aware of those facts?
In addition, there is a reason why the Coalition waited this long. The Iraqis needed training and we needed time for them to exhaust their munitions, funds and their will to fight.

But your friends the Saudi’s have been providing them with weapons including chemical weapons (Sarin) and morter launched cluster bombs since 2012! You stand more chance of training monkeys than the Iraqi Army ..... have you forgotten Chemical Ali and his boasts (like yours)l all ready? The first sign of their likely demise and they will join ISIL.
It is a big possibility that this operation will end within days but I could be wrong.

Well General .... you had better tell the US coalition your plans then as they are obviously far better than they have come up with..... because they seem to believe it will take many, many months. So far they have attacked outlying villages; they are still many kms from Mosul City and that is the size of Birmingham. Maybe you should start dropping food and medical aid , instead of telling the residents to stay indoors? What a gem!!!!! :lol:
What will occur is that once Mosul is liberated, it will still be largely intact and a functional city and not a pile of rubble like Aleppo. Journalists will be able to come and document everything when it is safe to do so.

Where do you get your glass balls from? :roll: Parts of Mosul will get flattened .... just like parts of Aleppo. (The only thing that may avoid that is if the story that the Saudis and the US have done a deal with ISIS to leave them a corridor to escape into Syria ..... I believe they were bribed. Although I suspect they will leave behind a few thousand foreigners as cannon fodder!)
The precedence I use is the liberation of Dabiq. It took Turkey and the FSA just days to take Dabiq from ISIL.

How many Turks and FSA died .... do you know?
Contrast that to Pootin and Assad and the pile of rubble as well as the legacy of criminality and war crimes in Aleppo!

Think of Dresden, Bagdad, Falluja your forces flattened large areas and used masses of depleted uranium behind them. War crimes are war crimes when they are proved and your coalition is very, very, far from reaching that goal. So far, even using the UN as a source, your coalition have committed far more war crimes than either Assad or The Russians.
The history books will not be kind to Pootin or Assad. They will go down as War Criminals at large until justice is served.

You really do believe that .......... don’t you? How sad. :roll:

But to return to the Original Post ....... it is about freedom of speech in case you have forgotten, not about your delusional views of the events the US and its allies have set in motion in the Middle East. :x
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