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Best if Cyprus was returned to the Hellenic Nation to avoid refugees created in 1974.


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Yes, that's the most merciful overall solution.
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GreekIslandGirl, kurupetos, Schnauzer, Sotos
No, the Turks deserve a piece of Cyprus.
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No, the Brits should have kept all of Cyprus.
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20%
 
Paphitis
 
Total votes : 5

Re: What if ....

Postby Maximus » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:37 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:what are you talking about?


You know what i am talking about.

We are talking about ENOSIS and Cyprus and the popular insinuation that 80% can force their will on 20% on something like this.

the other option is to forget that shit about the 80% Vs 20% because there are no winners there.


It goes round in riddles,

Meanwhile in the UK 52% voted to leave the EU and the other 48% have to respect it.

Its part of something called democracy.

What you might as well do next is suggesting that the TC should have a veto and Turkish gaurantees so the 80% cant pass their will.

Is that how it works in Australia with the aborigines :lol:
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Re: What if ....

Postby Sotos » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:21 pm

Cyprus should belong wherever the Cypriots want it to belong. All the problems to Cyprus were caused by foreign Imperialists who used force to impose on Cyprus what they wanted on our expense. The division, the refugees and all that are a result of the criminal actions of these Imperialists. If there was a referendum in the 50s (or even earlier) then the Cypriots would democratically choose to unite with Greece (just like Scotland, Gibraltar and Falklands choose to be part of the UK), and there would be no Turkish occupation, no refugees, no British bases and none of all the other problems these Imperialists created to us. The temporary financial problems that maybe we would have today by being part of Greece are nothing compared to the problems we have today because we aren't part of Greece.

Following the events of the early 1920's Turkey was never going let Greece have full control of Cyprus.


Not true. The British intentionally involved Turkey as a way oppose our liberation struggle. Turkey had a lot of internal problems after 1920 and they wouldn't do anything if the British didn't involve them. Rhodes united with Greece in 1948 and Turkey did nothing about this.
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Re: What if ....

Postby Cap » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:37 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:There should have been a referendum to let the Cypriot people democratically decide what they want for their own island. It is clear that if that was done the overwhelming majority would have voted for union with Greece while any alternatives were not a result of the will of Cypriots but a result of force and blackmail by the Turks and the British who wanted pieces of Cyprus for their own interests.


most people were illiterate back in the day as opposed to 2016.

So what gives them the right to be making such decisions and condemning us to a basket case?

Hold the referendum today and the result would be different. I put it down to education.


Absolutely nailed it there Paphitis.
Amazing how many Cyps I talk to thank their lucky stars we never reached enosis.
They actually ADMIT it.
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Re: What if ....

Postby miltiades » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:38 pm

As far as the British are concerned, democracy is not an automatic right for all nations, only those nations that the Brits consider to be worthy off. David Cameron the ex PM, on the anniversary of the Falklands war said: We shall defend the right of the people of the Falklands to determine their own destiny !!!

As much as I support an independent Cyprus I still believe in democracy, I opposed brexit, I still do, but the majority spoke, in a democracy the wishes of the majority, as stupid as they may be, has to be respected.

The Cypriot people had every right to demand whatever the vast majority aspired for. The British rejected their wishes but went to war with Argentine over the Maldives , Falkland islands, because the Brits believe in ..... selective democracy. :lol: :lol:
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Re: What if ....

Postby Sotos » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:00 pm

miltiades wrote:As far as the British are concerned, democracy is not an automatic right for all nations, only those nations that the Brits consider to be worthy off. David Cameron the ex PM, on the anniversary of the Falklands war said: We shall defend the right of the people of the Falklands to determine their own destiny !!!

As much as I support an independent Cyprus I still believe in democracy, I opposed brexit, I still do, but the majority spoke, in a democracy the wishes of the majority, as stupid as they may be, has to be respected.

The Cypriot people had every right to demand whatever the vast majority aspired for. The British rejected their wishes but went to war with Argentine over the Maldives , Falkland islands, because the Brits believe in ..... selective democracy. :lol: :lol:


Well said Miltiades! This is not whether somebody supports enosis or not today, but about respecting the freely expressed democratic choices of Cypriots. Of course today nearly nobody supports enosis because the damage is already done. But union with Greece was the right choice in the 50s or before and Cypriots of that time knew this very well. Just look at all the other islands which achieved enosis... non of them has the problems that we have.
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Re: What if ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:52 pm

For something that didn't happen, enosis gets too much blame.

Sadly, if enosis did happen, the fate of Cyprus would have been completely different. Thousands of Cypriots would still be alive today and 200,000 refugees would still have their homes of thousands of years - and the rest of us would have an island we always knew as WHOLE. Yet some are too obtuse to appreciate this.

What we have now, is too much to have lost for the unlikely possibility of what (enosis) the Brits and Turks told us was poisonous (and we, and they, know now, would have been the safest option for Cyprus).
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Re: What if ....

Postby kurupetos » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:03 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Your thread is a good reminder that women are subservient by their very nature and thus unsuitable for any kind of leadership roles or important decision making.


Did a Rooster tell you this Chicken. :)

Yes, while he was nailing her. :mrgreen:
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Re: What if ....

Postby kurupetos » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:07 am

Cap wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:There should have been a referendum to let the Cypriot people democratically decide what they want for their own island. It is clear that if that was done the overwhelming majority would have voted for union with Greece while any alternatives were not a result of the will of Cypriots but a result of force and blackmail by the Turks and the British who wanted pieces of Cyprus for their own interests.


most people were illiterate back in the day as opposed to 2016.

So what gives them the right to be making such decisions and condemning us to a basket case?

Hold the referendum today and the result would be different. I put it down to education.


Absolutely nailed it there Paphitis.
Amazing how many Cyps I talk to thank their lucky stars we never reached enosis.
They actually ADMIT it.

Why? Greece would have been a superpower if she had Cyprus.

You two are too naïve and simpleton to understand strategic depth... :roll:
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Re: What if ....

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:19 am

kurupetos wrote:Why? Greece would have been a superpower if she had Cyprus.

You two are too naïve and simpleton to understand strategic depth... :roll:

And why the fuck should Greece benefit in any way or form? :?

Honestly, just give up this sick love affair with Balkan gypsies and quit keeping yourself down with lowlifes for there is nothing in the Balkans worth more than 2cents!

You deserve more than such trash but you need to believe in your self dude!
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Re: What if ....

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:23 am

This conniving ruse; to get everyone to vote for Greece, seems to have backfired in Oracle’s face! :lol:
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