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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:01 pm

...tell that to the Georgians.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby kurupetos » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:11 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...tell that to the Georgians.

Will do when I see my friend Temuri. :mrgreen:
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Sotos » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:08 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Saw but did not have a chance to fully read a news item refering to some think tank's view that Russia wants to keep the zisland divided... Not sure how biased thst think tank might be.....


The British helped the Turks to divide Cyprus in the first place to distract us from our anti-Colonial struggle and maintain parts of our island under their rule. Now the British together with the Americans want to legalize the division of Cyprus to ensure that nobody will ever make any demands against the bases, while at the same time making the whole of Cyprus (minus the bases) a puppet state of Turkey, their good NATO ally. Neither us nor Russia wants such thing, while our interests and the interests of Russia would be best served if both Turkish and British troops left from Cyprus (for us it means liberation of our lands, for Russia it means less NATO control over the region). Plus Russia wouldn't mind if the whole of Cyprus was democratically ruled by Christian Orthodox people who have a good relationship with Russia. So obviously that "think tank" of yours is talking bullshit. The interests of Russia and Cyprus are aligned when it comes to the solution of the Cyprus problem.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:04 am

Sotos wrote:You base your conclusion on "seafront cafe" research, i.e. nothing other your own prejudices. The facts clearly show that there a LOT more Brits than Russians in the north and the facts also show who are our friends and who are our enemies. The Russians sold us many weapons, not just the S300, at the same time that the Americans were supplying the weapons of the occupation army and had an arms embargo on us. The Russians have also supported our side at the Security Council on numerous occasions. I am not a Putin supporter and all carpetbaggers are the same for me no matter who they are, but there is no denying that historically the Russians have supported our side way more than the Americans.


It's got nothing to do with my conclusions or prejudices. i don't hold prejudices. You on the other hand are very prejudiced and biased.

My conclusions are based on some internet research which was led by observations made by others and also by me albeit due to some very brief interaction I personally had in Kyrenia.

I will be specific. I can't conclude that there is any notable American or Australian investment on occupied Cyprus. There is virtually none. I can conclude that there is some British Investment mainly from private British Citizens, virtually none from established British Business, and certainly none from the British Government.

I can also conclude, based on facts, that there is significant Russian Investment in occupied Cyprus from Russian Citizens, notable investment from established Russian Business, and none (which I have noticed) from the Russian Government.

Whether you accept the facts or not is not my issue. it just means that it is you who is prejudiced against American and Brits because you apply different standards to them than you do to Russians.

And here is a news flash for you.

The Russians don't give a fuck that Cyprus is Christian. It doesn't mean you are closer to them or that they like you more than they would a Chinese Buddhist! Russia, sees its own interest and will throw you under a bus if it serves their interest and they have thrown you under the bus twice now, once in 74 and again when they sold you S300s when they new full well they would not back you up with their in Cyprus.

WHY?

Because they are actually more friendly with Turkey than they are with Cyprus. Russian Oil and Gas goes through Turkey, and believe me when I say that if Turkey took all of Cyprus, Russia wouldn't give the slightest fuck! The US on the other hand is a lot more likely to condemn Turkey, because they are more transparent and at least adhere to some standards with respect to international law.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:55 am

Sotos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:Saw but did not have a chance to fully read a news item refering to some think tank's view that Russia wants to keep the zisland divided... Not sure how biased thst think tank might be.....


The British helped the Turks to divide Cyprus in the first place to distract us from our anti-Colonial struggle and maintain parts of our island under their rule. Now the British together with the Americans want to legalize the division of Cyprus to ensure that nobody will ever make any demands against the bases, while at the same time making the whole of Cyprus (minus the bases) a puppet state of Turkey, their good NATO ally. Neither us nor Russia wants such thing, while our interests and the interests of Russia would be best served if both Turkish and British troops left from Cyprus (for us it means liberation of our lands, for Russia it means less NATO control over the region). Plus Russia wouldn't mind if the whole of Cyprus was democratically ruled by Christian Orthodox people who have a good relationship with Russia. So obviously that "think tank" of yours is talking bullshit. The interests of Russia and Cyprus are aligned when it comes to the solution of the Cyprus problem.


Britain was actually prepared to go to war against Turkey by exercising its 1960 Treaty Rights.

you need to do some more research as to exactly what was going on in 1974. You seem to be lacking in knowledge OR you are constructive a false narrative to fit your ideology or prejudices.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:36 am

Schnauzer wrote:My advice to Paphitis :-

Find yourself a bit of 'Russian Pussy' and you may switch sides. :lol: :lol:


Sorry but even if I was to get myself a Russian 'half', she would have a mind of her own and intelligent enough to stand on her own 2 feet. Mindless women do not interest me.

And that being the case, chances are, she wouldn't be a Pootin Fan at all, like all the other Russians I know and speak to because she would not be a slave with slave mentality, but probably quite an intelligent and focused human being with an education.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:39 am

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...Putin's.

Nah...


he means the country!

But in Pootin's case, it's probably likely to be Goerge rather than Georgia! :lol:

You know, for a Cypriot, you keep undermining yourselves.

here is a question. When was the last time USA invaded another country and occupied it permanently?
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Zenon33 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:51 am

Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...Putin's.

Nah...


he means the country!

But in Pootin's case, it's probably likely to be Goerge rather than Georgia! :lol:

You know, for a Cypriot, you keep undermining yourselves.

here is a question. When was the last time USA invaded another country and occupied it permanently?




Iraq 2003.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Zenon33 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:56 am

Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:You base your conclusion on "seafront cafe" research, i.e. nothing other your own prejudices. The facts clearly show that there a LOT more Brits than Russians in the north and the facts also show who are our friends and who are our enemies. The Russians sold us many weapons, not just the S300, at the same time that the Americans were supplying the weapons of the occupation army and had an arms embargo on us. The Russians have also supported our side at the Security Council on numerous occasions. I am not a Putin supporter and all carpetbaggers are the same for me no matter who they are, but there is no denying that historically the Russians have supported our side way more than the Americans.


It's got nothing to do with my conclusions or prejudices. i don't hold prejudices. You on the other hand are very prejudiced and biased.

My conclusions are based on some internet research which was led by observations made by others and also by me albeit due to some very brief interaction I personally had in Kyrenia.

I will be specific. I can't conclude that there is any notable American or Australian investment on occupied Cyprus. There is virtually none. I can conclude that there is some British Investment mainly from private British Citizens, virtually none from established British Business, and certainly none from the British Government.

I can also conclude, based on facts, that there is significant Russian Investment in occupied Cyprus from Russian Citizens, notable investment from established Russian Business, and none (which I have noticed) from the Russian Government.

Whether you accept the facts or not is not my issue. it just means that it is you who is prejudiced against American and Brits because you apply different standards to them than you do to Russians.

And here is a news flash for you.

The Russians don't give a fuck that Cyprus is Christian. It doesn't mean you are closer to them or that they like you more than they would a Chinese Buddhist! Russia, sees its own interest and will throw you under a bus if it serves their interest and they have thrown you under the bus twice now, once in 74 and again when they sold you S300s when they new full well they would not back you up with their in Cyprus.

WHY?

Because they are actually more friendly with Turkey than they are with Cyprus. Russian Oil and Gas goes through Turkey, and believe me when I say that if Turkey took all of Cyprus, Russia wouldn't give the slightest fuck! The US on the other hand is a lot more likely to condemn Turkey, because they are more transparent and at least adhere to some standards with respect to international law.



Henry Kissinger (The US) pushed for the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus.
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Re: Russian influence in Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:46 am

Zenon33 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...Putin's.

Nah...


he means the country!

But in Pootin's case, it's probably likely to be Goerge rather than Georgia! :lol:

You know, for a Cypriot, you keep undermining yourselves.

here is a question. When was the last time USA invaded another country and occupied it permanently?




Iraq 2003.


I said invade and occupy on a permanent basis.

Iraq exercises its full sovereignty today.

Coalition air strikes against DAESH are at the request of the Iraqi security Forces who need to call the Air strikes in. Coalition is subordinate and under Iraqi Command.

It's actually incorrect when we say the Coalition is US led. that might be if you don't include Iraq but the truth of the matter is that the coalition is led by The Iraqi Security Forces. They tell the Coalition when and where they want the Coalition to strike. it's their country, and they have 100% control of everything.

Coalition only advises. That is as far as our authority extends.
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