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Re: Maybe the UK could learn from Trump ?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:23 am

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Londonrake wrote:It was assumed, by those who are supposedly "in the know", that both the UK referendum and US election would go a certain, entirely predictable, way. Neither did. An unpleasant surprise to many. It seems to be a popular revolt against what some term "The establishment elite". Basically, they were so up their own butts that they had no idea where the ball actually was. The tyranny of democracy?

In both cases the blocking of democracy should be the biggest eye opener for those who took pride in western “values”.


LR: I think the people had a better idea of where the ball was ....... than those that were 'in the know' and the results in both cases reflected that ? I have always supported the idea of an 'Establishment Elite' by whatever name they go by. Even the smallest business needs someone in the driving seat. Who the individuals are in the case of an 'Establishment Elite' is anybody's guess. But you could bet your last Euro that they are associated with Financial markets, Banking and Multi-Nationals. :shock:

GR; Are you saying these votes were not democratic ? Surely not, as they were both based on the principal of an overall majority of the votes. I don't really understand the intricacies of the US voting system as it not based on a simple overall majority, but it must still be democratic ? :roll:
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Re: Maybe the UK could learn from Trump ?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:02 am

Robin Hood wrote:GR; Are you saying these votes were not democratic ? Surely not, as they were both based on the principal of an overall majority of the votes. I don't really understand the intricacies of the US voting system as it not based on a simple overall majority, but it must still be democratic ? :roll:

What I’m saying is that the outcomes of both these elections are undesirable to their respective governments and we are seeing a resistance to these democratic outcomes by both.

In the US, the government is encouraging resistance to the outcome through orchestrated anti-Trump rallies etc, whereas the British government is inventing every excuse imaginable not to implement their outcome!

They are both exhibiting a blocking of democracy despite being the two nations that claim the most to be upholders of democratic values!
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Re: Maybe the UK could learn from Trump ?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:08 am

Get Real! wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:GR; Are you saying these votes were not democratic ? Surely not, as they were both based on the principal of an overall majority of the votes. I don't really understand the intricacies of the US voting system as it not based on a simple overall majority, but it must still be democratic ? :roll:

What I’m saying is that the outcomes of both these elections are undesirable to their respective governments and we are seeing a resistance to these democratic outcomes by both.

In the US, the government is encouraging resistance to the outcome through orchestrated anti-Trump rallies etc, whereas the British government is inventing every excuse imaginable not to implement their outcome!

They are both exhibiting a blocking of democracy despite being the two nations that claim the most to be upholders of democratic values!


Both outcomes are being resisted by the so-called liberal left who want to turn everyone into obedient sheep. Aren't the riots against the results backed by that bastard George Soros?
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Re: Maybe the UK could learn from Trump ?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:34 am

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Robin Hood wrote:GR; Are you saying these votes were not democratic ? Surely not, as they were both based on the principal of an overall majority of the votes. I don't really understand the intricacies of the US voting system as it not based on a simple overall majority, but it must still be democratic ? :roll:

What I’m saying is that the outcomes of both these elections are undesirable to their respective governments and we are seeing a resistance to these democratic outcomes by both.

In the US, the government is encouraging resistance to the outcome through orchestrated anti-Trump rallies etc, whereas the British government is inventing every excuse imaginable not to implement their outcome!

They are both exhibiting a blocking of democracy despite being the two nations that claim the most to be upholders of democratic values!


Thanks for the explanation. I agree with you 'they' are doing every thing to defeat democracy ..... which of course also includes freedom of speech and a free press. Merkel said to day that she wanted to do something about 'false news', as it was more difficult now to persuade people than it was 25 years ago. I think what she is saying is that propaganda is less effective now. Surprise, surprise ..... the sheep are beginning to waken and work it out for themselves. :roll: :D
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Re: Maybe the UK could learn from Trump ?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:42 pm

Kikapu:

So you think Brexit and US Pres. Election results are not linked, that they do not have a common denominator?

As I have always believed to be so, isn’t one of the benefits of having a ‘Democracy’ the right to free speech and the right of freedom to information?

It appears in future ‘They’ will decide what you should know .......... well, ‘They’ have been doing that for decades? It is now pretty obvious after the Brexit, US Presidential elections and the stirrings in the rest of Europe that people making up their own minds about events, is a serious threat. To recover their domination they have to destroy these sources that ‘They’ see as this threat to their hegemony, before they completely lose control over what people should think. :roll:

Fake News Ruse: Establishment Declares War on Alternative Media

The effort to shut down the alternative media following the election victory of Donald Trump is kicking into high gear. On November 16 PolitiFact declared it would “fight back against fake news” and produced a hit list of alternative media sites.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Fake_News_Ruse%3A_Establishment_Declares_War_on_Alternative_Media/55454/0/38/38/Y/M.html


The owner and sole employee of Liberty Blitzkrieg replies ........ and provides the full list from ‘PropOrNot’, the mysterious site that has decided to protect the US and its allies from ‘Russian’ and other propaganda .......... after the MSM got blown away in the US Presidential elections!

Liberty Blitzkrieg Included on Washington Post Highlighted Hit List of “Russian Propaganda” Websites

Michael Krieger responds to his website being listed alongside BlacklistedNews.com and many other as a Russian friendly propaganda outlet ... From Liberty Blitzkrieg:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Liberty_Blitzkrieg_Included_on_Washington_Post_Highlighted_Hit_List_of_%E2%80%9CRussian_Propaganda%E2%80%9D_Websites/55453/0/38/38/Y/M.html


Now a completely unbiased. impartial, factual and non-propagandised explanation from the Washington Post ..... which is obviously not on the list of Russian sympathisers identified by PropOrNot. You should also take into account that these are the ‘experts’ that got it all so dreadfully wrong on the outcome, or even the trend, in the US Pres. Election. :lol: :lol:

Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html


IMO: It was the continuous harping by Hillary and her supporters that it was Putin and the Russians that were behind every campaign fail, a total failure that was increasingly predictable as the campaigns progressed. That was what caused her failure, not Putin or Russian propaganda. :roll:

Basically ..... her failure was self inflicted, her own paranoia ..... she shot herself in the foot! :roll: :lol: :lol:
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