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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:01 am

Paphitis wrote:Your views are ridiculous and actually quite out of step with International Public opinion and the views of the vast majority of nations and their leaders.

My position is very much reasoned and accepted as the norm internationally - without a comprehensive peace settlement, there will be no peace and stability in Syria. Whoever thinks there will be peace and stability by force of arms, is delusional.

And most people share my views. That is because my approach is the only one that makes any sense on this forum. Your approach is the sledgehammer approach, and you will not achieve peace and stability by applying a sledgehammer over the heads of millions of people. The only thing your approach will be sure to achieve is perpetual sectarian conflict!

Stop pretending my views are out there because they are not out there at all. Your views are out there. That is the fact of the matter, and you can quote any country and the UN itself which also agree with my view on Syria. The world knows there will be no peace and stability in Syria without a comprehensive settlement. Just perpetual sectarian war and terrorism.

Wake up!


Your problem is that you do not see the problem! First identify the problem/cause ...... then deal with the symptoms.

Assad,Putin and Kerry, have proved time and time again that negotiation with these rebels/terrorists is not possible. Like you they see only total victory as the answer. They therefore have to be depleted to the point of being a pain in the ass rather than a terminal illness. The only Comprehensive solution is to degrade the ability of the terrorists to engage in full scale war against the legitimate government. No .... it will not be an end to this war and as a subversive campaign carried out by a small number of die-hard Islamic extremists, the conflict will continue for years but it will be contained.

Then the Syrian people will make their own choice. If the Sunni's get their way and have a secular Sunni State under Sharia Law, it will be the choice of the people. That IMO is very unlikely. Assad will remain in power and will work, as he has done already, the solve Syrias internal problems, without interference from foreign governments ......... BY NEGOTIATION WITH ALL SYRIANS through government institutions and the Law.

The coalition has done very little to combat Daesh (ISIS/ISIL) until quite recently, especially where they are attacking Syria. This has been left to Assad, who initially was overwhelmed and was saved by Russian intervention. It was Russia, working with Syrian air force, that were the first to seriously take on Daesh by destroying their ability to fund their operations by selling Syrian oil through Turkey. The US then began to follow suit.

Comprehensive solution ...... to once again degrade the ability of Daesh to engage in full scale war against the legitimate governments of the areas it occupies. In neither case can this be done with a cosy little chat with responsible human beings. Your enemy does not understand the idea of .... humanity. They see only a religious ideals.

The enemy need to be degraded militarily and that cannot happen if a foreign power, with its own political agenda, repeatedly re-arms them and interferes in the internal matters of another State. Trump has said this arming people '....we don't know' , will stop .... I hope he keeps to his word. :roll:

Until you try to understand the format and framework of a comprehensive settlement ..... don't spout nonsense! :roll:

You say you are educated, intelligent and use your brain? You do not project such an image. :roll:
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:10 am

Oh I see the problem alright.

basically, you're up shit creek without a comprehensive political solution.

Only the Coalition has been combating DAESH - MOSUL and soon Raqqa. we have shown the world who is sincere about fighting DAESH and who isn't. We will remove them from Raqqa, but we can't comprehensively defeat them in all of Syria without a comprehensive peace settlement, so the regime will have to deal with the rest because we won't be chasing them all over the Syrian countryside without a comprehensive settlement.

The negotiations are not just with the rebels. it's about the Sunni Populations at large and the Sunni tribes. that is a matter of fact who the negotiations will be held with and the very people that have a rightful stake in Syria and how the country is Governed and they want political transition.

The rebels are only the armed militants of the political movement for self determination in Syria as a people. There is a political leadership as well.

And yes, the Syrian people have made their choice already. They want a transition. No one can deny any people's in Syria what is rightfully their's. If they elect the Muslim Brotherhood, then deal with it. That is what will happen in a fair and democratic process.

The regime is already degraded militarily and is unable to do anything. Aleppo is pretty much their graveyard now. That is where they get stuck like a pig in shit whilst the Coalition liberates Raqqa and expands its territory.

And that is where we will stay without a comprehensive solution we will partition Syria. And we will move closer and closer to aleppo and towards the Mediterranean. Basically, we got free reign right now. and 50+ armed militias all over the place.
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:Oh I see the problem alright.

basically, you're up shit creek without a comprehensive political solution.

Assad remains in the driving seat until the Syrian people decide otherwise. THAT is the Comprehensive Political solution. THAT can only happen when the terrorists are destroyed as an army. THAT will be when YOU stop arming them .... which will be early next year. (But by then Aleppo will be back under Government control.) .

Only the Coalition has been combating DAESH - MOSUL and soon Raqqa. we have shown the world who is sincere about fighting DAESH and who isn't. We will remove them from Raqqa, but we can't comprehensively defeat them in all of Syria without a comprehensive peace settlement, so the regime will have to deal with the rest because we won't be chasing them all over the Syrian countryside without a comprehensive settlement.

But both Mosul and Raqqa are at a virtual standstill. Very little movement. The only thing appearing to happen is the RAF dropping lots of bombs .... but nobody seems to know where.

The negotiations are not just with the rebels. it's about the Sunni Populations at large and the Sunni tribes. that is a matter of fact who the negotiations will be held with and the very people that have a rightful stake in Syria and how the country is Governed and they want political transition.

YES .......the Syrian people will decide how they are governed and it will most definitely NOT be your terrorists!

The rebels are only the armed militants of the political movement for self determination in Syria as a people. There is a political leadership as well.

Otherwise described as terrorists!

And yes, the Syrian people have made their choice already. They want a transition. No one can deny any people's in Syria what is rightfully their's. If they elect the Muslim Brotherhood, then deal with it. That is what will happen in a fair and democratic process.

When did the Syrian people ever vote for 'transition' ? Once again your great concern for the oppressed is for those you support? What about the people in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine? Do they not have this right too?

The regime is already degraded militarily and is unable to do anything. Aleppo is pretty much their graveyard now. That is where they get stuck like a pig in shit whilst the Coalition liberates Raqqa and expands its territory.

The SAA is stretched but they are making far more effective inroads on the ground in Aleppo, than you well trained and well armed proxies in Mosul! As for Raqqa ..... again it is stagnant. Gains one day, then they lose it to Daesh, then Daesk lose it again,.... and so on.

And that is where we will stay without a comprehensive solution we will partition Syria. And we will move closer and closer to aleppo and towards the Mediterranean. Basically, we got free reign right now. and 50+ armed militias all over the place.


Everything you are suggesting is contrary to International Law and are generally blatant offensive acts of war and thus war crimes. But this does not bother you? And you expect nobody to confront you in your march to conquer the World ? :lol: :lol: :lol: Thankfully YOU do not have free rein, Russia is still controlling the situation.

Listen carefully .... Russia is now running the game in Syria on the International Circuit, that is evident to a blind man. They have a plan and so far it seems to at least be generally going in the right direction. But unlike YOU they do not make claims in advance .... they wait until it happens. But you don't see that information as you are selective in your sources for information. :roll: :lol:

You keep throwing out this '... Comprehensive Peace Settlement' but you never explain what it is meant to look like. I assume you think Assad and Russia will ground all their aircraft, recall all the SAA forces and then kiss-and-make up with all the terrorists, hand them the keys to the country and the people will all rush out (women covered on one side ..... bearded men firing guns into the air, on the other?) to welcome the head chopping terrorists as their hero Islamic Extremist ,Sharia enforcing, freedom fighters. I honestly can't see that happening. I suspect .... nor can anyone else but you of course ! :lol: :lol:
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:51 pm

Everything the regime has been doing is contrary to International law.

Therefore, it doesn't matter. We have free reign too because no one is going to do a thing. That's what happens when you commit War Crimes.

We are not interested in conquering Syria or the world. In fact, we are more than willing to leave Syria once there is a comprehensive settlement but without that, then we stay because we have a duty to repay our Kurdish friends with statehood. We will not let them live under the regime ever again. And Statehood can be achieved because the coalition can move quickly to recognize the newly founded entity regardless on whether it is admitted into the UN or not.

Russia can't even land its planes on its old aircraft carrier let alone run any games. We have surrounded Raqqa, and the regime still hasn't any control over Aleppo.

A comprehensive peace settlement is a deal that is conducive and acceptable to all parties in Syria, so that they can live in peace and have their self determination within Government and not under a brutal dictator which has killed 300,000 Syrians. In all likelihood, that might be free elections under the auspices of the United Nations and International Observers and Monitors.

I do not know. All I know is that a peace settlement will not involve the regime presiding over Sunnis in Syria ever again. That is impossible and completely unacceptable and an insult to the entire world! The Sunnis will never accept it.

Pootin will have to negotiate with the Sunni delegates at the Syria group. There will be no negotiations with the regime.

And we are not interested in evicting Russian interests from Syria.
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:48 pm

Nothing that Assad or Russia has done has contravened International Law ....... not so the US Coalition and the evidence is overwhelming for that accusation.
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Therefore, it doesn't matter. We have free reign too because no one is going to do a thing. That's what happens when you commit War Crimes.

That is supreme arrogance! So, International Law does not apply to YOU because nobody is big enough to take you on. That is the attitude of the US but it does not mean they are not guilty of war crimes ..... it is just that they write the rules so they get to say whether laws apply to them. I think world opinion is waking up and the US Coalition will one day face judgement.

Syria, so that they can live in peace and have their self determination within Government and not under a brutal dictator which has killed 300,000 Syrians. In all likelihood, that might be free elections under the auspices of the United Nations and International Observers and Monitors.


Being a brutal dictator is an accusation you constantly repeat of which there is so far very little proof to back YOUR wild stories.

YOU presented the us all with ‘Caesar’, supposedly a photographer for Assad, as the provider of all the photographs showing irrefutably how Assad butchers his people. That all turned out to be a load of hog-wash and the photos were actually stolen from the archives of government hospitals of people who had died from various causes but none had been identified. The whole story was debunked. ‘Caesar’ was not what or who he claimed to be.

The same with the Sarin attack in Ghouta. It was proved by various authoritative organisations and engineers to be more than likely untrue. Even the UN said that the rebels (sorry YOUR terrorists) were most likely responsible and it was a false flag to get the US Coalition into a full scale war in Syria to get rid of Assad. YOU fell for it, but fortunately, Putin saw through the scam and came up with a political solution and Obama and the coalition backed down!

YOU did the same with the BellingCat report on the attack on a UN convey just off the Costello Road. The photos they used were from the White Helmets and were later confirmed as not being photos of an air attack but local incendiary devices (Petrol Bombs) the spokesman for the White Helmets changed his story about six times and BellingCat issued photos by the White Helmets that were ridiculed as they were so obviously false.

As I have said many times to you; accusations are meaningless without proof. If any of the charges you make went to the ICC you would get laughed out of court. :roll:
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:57 am

The regime has committed War Crimes. many war Crimes. but either way, it doesn't matter anymore.

Without a comprehensive Settlement, the Status Quo remains, and the Coalitions positions in Syria are firmly entrenched.

We end up with a client and the beginnings of a new State.

You don't think this will occur? Well that is bad luck for you and the regime, because the map says something else and we will not let go under any circumstances.

You also end up with a perpetual sectarian conflict from which there is no escape.

You will no doubt accuse the Coalition for it, but there is NOTHING the Coalition can do to control it as you can see we have never been able to control it in other places like Afghanistan and have been incapable of delivering a comprehensive defeat against the Mujaheddin even to this day.

That is Syria's future, only that in Syria it is going to be 100 times worse with all the militias now gunning for the regime.

There is plenty of information to support my views and the accusations against the regime. You just never accept it and then post propagandist rubbish.
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Maximus » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:43 am

Paphitis,

This is another BS thread constructed only within the realms of fantasy land, your mind from reading too many BS media sources. Your house of cards will come tumbling down on the sound of a trumpet.

Speaking at the latest stop on his “thank you” tour of swing states, President-elect Donald Trump told a crowd in Fayetteville, North Carolina that he wants to “strengthen old friendships and seek out new friendships,” stressing that the US will “stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with.”

“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer,” he said during the Tuesday event.

“We’ve spent, at last count, $6 trillion in the Middle East, and our roads have potholes all over, our highways are falling apart, our bridges are falling, our tunnels are no good, our airports are horrible like third world countries,” Trump said.

The president-elect also accused Obama of being the “founder of ISIS” at a Fort Lauderdale, Florida rally in August.

https://www.rt.com/usa/369439-trump-military-plan-tour/

Trump says it like no one else.
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Maximus » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:28 pm

Paphitis,

Listen to Trump, he says it like no one else.

You can listen to him and watch him on youtube, even though you think its for the plebs.

:lol: ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaOVdzcQfS0

:lol: ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBD9cDn52w8

:lol: ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_YdGFvfA8E
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:52 pm

Trumps choice for Secretary of Defence? I wouldn’t like to meet him and his buddies in a dark alley! This guy comes with some serious baggage ......... an opinion from someone with firsthand experience of Mad Dogs way of doing things. This is a man obviously with a good sense of humanity toward civilians and applies it with great relish! :x

The authors personal experiences in Falujah are well worth reading .... a very graphic description of what went on that was never reported. :roll:

James Mattis Is a War Criminal: I Experienced His Attack on Fallujah Firsthand- By Dahr Jamail

Mattis was the head of Camp Pendleton's 1st Marine Division in Iraq and played a lead role during both of the US sieges of Fallujah in 2004.

During the April 2004 siege, more than 700 civilians were killed by the US military, according to Iraqi doctors in the city whom I interviewed in the aftermath of that attack.

While reporting from inside Fallujah during that siege, I personally witnessed women, children, elderly people and ambulances being targeted by US snipers under Mattis' command. Needless to say, all of these are war crimes.
During the November siege of Fallujah later that same year, which I also covered first-hand, more than 5,000 Iraqi civilians were killed. Most were buried in mass graves in the aftermath of the siege.

Mosques were deliberately targeted by the US military, hospitals bombed, medical workers detained, ambulances shot at, cease-fires violated, media repressed, and the use of depleted uranium was widespread. All of these are, again, war crimes.

At that time I broke the story of the US military's use of white phosphorous, an incendiary weapon similar to napalm in its ability to burn all the way down to the bone. The use of white phosphorus was a violation of international law, given that it was unleashed in the city during a time when the Pentagon itself admitted to at least 50,000 civilians still being present.
More than 200,000 civilians were displaced from their homes during the November siege, and over 75 percent of the city was destroyed.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45992.htm
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Re: TRUMP saying it like no one else

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:48 am

and this man will be in government for the next 5 years.

and the old fool still believes that the yank lands are the most civilised on earth. what he needs is some brains but the trouble is you cant buy the damn thing.
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