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[Paphitis]

we are fast approaching 9th of january where the maps will be submitted. if there is an agreement then the talks will move to security on the 12th. if there is an agreement to that there will be a referendum in july.

lets look at the options.

what if there is no agreement before 12th, what are the consequences

what if there is an agrement on the 11th and talks fail at security after the 12th

what if all talks succeed in january but there is a no vote in july by the gcs.

what then.

In a nutshell...

our side will never accept any so called Guarantees from Turkey or the presence of the Turkish Military which was bold enough to stage a Coup in Turkey just a few months ago.

Such a thing would be suicide for The Republic of Cyprus. If they do coups in turkey, then they will have no problem staging a Coup in Cyprus the very minute something happens that they do not like.

crazy to have Guarantees from such a country which has rounded up and imprisoned 55,000 military Coupists, Public servants, Gulenists, and Journalists as well as bloggers.

Sorry, but that kind of stuff doesn't belong in a modern European country like Cyprus.

[B25]

The figure is more like 112,000 NOT 55k

[Lordo]

The figure is more like 112,000 NOT 55k

what makes you think you can in some way influence who the tcs have as a guarantor. wait till you are asked to give your thoughts and give them after you are asked. in the meantime shove it boys where the sun does not shine.

[Maximus]

No one cares Lordo,

At the end of the day, you have to pick between Cyprus and Turkey and Cyprus is not going to enter in to any agreement with the TC's that allows gaurantees from Turkey.

The settlers and Turkey have to do one and end the occupation of Cyprus.

[Lordo]

No one cares Lordo,

At the end of the day, you have to pick between Cyprus and Turkey and Cyprus is not going to enter in to any agreement with the TC's that allows gaurantees from Turkey.

The settlers and Turkey have to do one and end the occupation of Cyprus.

its funny how you actually believe the myths you create. good luck with that.

in the mean time enjoy the negotiations. not long left now.

[Maximus]

its not a myth Lordo,

Cyprus is not Turkey.

You have to pick one and Cyprus is not going to accept Turkeys gaurantees.

I know, you are happy as you are then,

So you have just picked Turkey.

[Lordo]

its not a myth Lordo,

Cyprus is not Turkey.

You have to pick one and Cyprus is not going to accept Turkeys gaurantees.

I know, you are happy as you are then,

So you have just picked Turkey.

who exactly is cyprus that will not accept the terggish guarantees you stupid asshole. get grip boy before it is too late. in cyprus there is two communities and one does not control the other. they are politically equal see. do you even understand the meaning of the verd eqol.

no go cook some broadbeans will ya the kids are hungry.

[repulsewarrior]

...what this proves, the meeting in Geneva, is that Erdogan is not ready to say Cyprus, Cypriots exist.

...a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided; this is not hard to understand. Constitutional reform is needed, the Cyprus Problem, Turkey's National issue, to be solved must solve the same Problem, in Turkey; only then will it be unreasonable, if refused, by him.

"One Cyprus, One Turkey", I expect Erdogan to say, soon; a Turkey that represents its Citizens as the Turkish People, and within, Liberty, with the representation of Persons, Turkish Constituencies, (a BBF in effect); also not hard to understand.

...we don't need NATO, we need a change in intentions, one where Turkey may benefit from our own good intentions toward ourselves. Cyprus, and Greece, must represent allies, not threats. A tripartite meeting perhaps?

...you, Lordo, get a grip, while the "communities" may be equals, Cypriots are equals, nothing "Greek"/"Turk" about it, fundamental rights, as Individuals, and as Persons.

...and, if i was "you", Lordo, i would be expecting this big betrayal from Erdogan; what makes you think "Turkey" is any better than "Greece"?

There is no solution, for "you", otherwise; and frankly (counter-intuitively perhaps,) a good "Turk", leaders in a "Turkish" way, you/"you" should be prepared to represent yourself in Cyprus, not unlike in Turkey, if you were not a "Turk".

[kurupetos]

It's solved.

[Paphitis]

...what this proves, the meeting in Geneva, is that Erdogan is not ready to say Cyprus, Cypriots exist.

...a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided; this is not hard to understand. Constitutional reform is needed, the Cyprus Problem, Turkey's National issue, to be solved must solve the same Problem, in Turkey; only then will it be unreasonable, if refused, by him.

"One Cyprus, One Turkey", I expect Erdogan to say, soon; a Turkey that represents its Citizens as the Turkish People, and within, Liberty, with the representation of Persons, Turkish Constituencies, (a BBF in effect); also not hard to understand.

...we don't need NATO, we need a change in intentions, one where Turkey may benefit from our own good intentions toward ourselves. Cyprus, and Greece, must represent allies, not threats. A tripartite meeting perhaps?

...you, Lordo, get a grip, while the "communities" may be equals, Cypriots are equals, nothing "Greek"/"Turk" about it, fundamental rights, as Individuals, and as Persons.

...and, if i was "you", Lordo, i would be expecting this big betrayal from Erdogan; what makes you think "Turkey" is any better than "Greece"?

There is no solution, for "you", otherwise; and frankly (counter-intuitively perhaps,) a good "Turk", leaders in a "Turkish" way, you/"you" should be prepared to represent yourself in Cyprus, not unlike in Turkey, if you were not a "Turk".

You need NATO alright. It's imperative that NATO is seen to meet the Security "requirements" of both sides, otherwise Turkey won't back down and there will not be any solution to the Cyprus problem.

NATO is vital.

No one changes "intentions" to accept Cyprus for Cypriots. It doesn't work that way. It's about interests not what is right.

With NATO there is half a chance of convincing countries that a cyprus for Cypriots is in their interests.