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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Sotos » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:26 pm

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74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

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SO why haven't the hundreds of thousands of TC visitors to the RoC disappeared over the 43 year period. This is an excuse the TCs use to demand the Turkish guarantees. This is a different era to the 60's, I do not believe for a moment that such a scenario would occur. Your fears are unfounded.


But some cars of TCs got damaged! The TCs want to know that if their car is scratched that they can call the Turkish army to send a regiment to kill the perpetrators of such heinous crime, and maybe kill a few 100s of other innocent people and rape some underage girls as a bonus.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Sotos » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:53 pm

74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


That can be genuine concern but that genuine concern is used as an excuse to demand things that are totally irrelevant. Do you really expect a foreign army to resolve a case of a murder or somebody gone missing? What kind of fucked up country that would be! The best guarantee for your security is a FAIR solution so that other people will not hate you. And if you are REASONABLE then nobody will deny to you additional proper measures for your security. But here is the thing: You don't want a fair solution, you want to screw us by having the Turkish army backing your demands. As a result (a) we hate you (so you need the Turkish army to protect you), and (b) you own your unjust gains on the Turkish army (so asking them to leave would be ungrateful).
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby 74LB » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:25 pm

B25 wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


SO why haven't the hundreds of thousands of TC visitors to the RoC disappeared over the 43 year period. This is an excuse the TCs use to demand the Turkish guarantees. This is a different era to the 60's, I do not believe for a moment that such a scenario would occur. Your fears are unfounded.


indeed it is a different era and i hope you are correct however i doubt thats reason enough to sign on the dotted line.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:28 pm

74LB wrote:indeed it is a different era and i hope you are correct however i doubt thats reason enough to sign on the dotted line.

Let me help you decide...

I’m generously offering the Ottoman remnant cowards the same guarantees that the native people of Cyprus were offered in the 1500s, the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s, the 1900s, and the 20th century!

My well-polished G3 is your only guarantee my friends… it’s guaranteed to widen your bum-holes.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby 74LB » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:29 pm

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Get Real! wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

There are no guarantees whatsoever and it’s not like your daft community hasn’t given the native Cypriots every reason to want to seek revenge, that’s why a population transfer of your incompatible minority back to Turkey where they belong, is the ONLY sane solution.

GR, doing an impersonation of Idi Amin :lol:


i remember Idi Amin. Good thing GR is not in power eh !
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby 74LB » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:44 pm

Sotos wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


That can be genuine concern but that genuine concern is used as an excuse to demand things that are totally irrelevant. Do you really expect a foreign army to resolve a case of a murder or somebody gone missing? What kind of fucked up country that would be! The best guarantee for your security is a FAIR solution so that other people will not hate you. And if you are REASONABLE then nobody will deny to you additional proper measures for your security. But here is the thing: You don't want a fair solution, you want to screw us by having the Turkish army backing your demands. As a result (a) we hate you (so you need the Turkish army to protect you), and (b) you own your unjust gains on the Turkish army (so asking them to leave would be ungrateful).


Lets hope that the 2 communities find reasonable ground for a fair solution.
Personally i don't hate anyone, and nor have i gained post 1974. But you are correct in indicating that some TC's and mainland Turks have profitted greatly from the current situation and would therefore want the status quo to continue.

Lets see what happens when talks resume.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Sotos » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:07 am

74LB wrote:
Sotos wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


That can be genuine concern but that genuine concern is used as an excuse to demand things that are totally irrelevant. Do you really expect a foreign army to resolve a case of a murder or somebody gone missing? What kind of fucked up country that would be! The best guarantee for your security is a FAIR solution so that other people will not hate you. And if you are REASONABLE then nobody will deny to you additional proper measures for your security. But here is the thing: You don't want a fair solution, you want to screw us by having the Turkish army backing your demands. As a result (a) we hate you (so you need the Turkish army to protect you), and (b) you own your unjust gains on the Turkish army (so asking them to leave would be ungrateful).


Lets hope that the 2 communities find reasonable ground for a fair solution.
Personally i don't hate anyone, and nor have i gained post 1974. But you are correct in indicating that some TC's and mainland Turks have profitted greatly from the current situation and would therefore want the status quo to continue.

Lets see what happens when talks resume.


I am not talking merely about the status quo. Do you think the 1959 agreements were fair? Do you think the Anan plan was fair? Do you think what is negotiated now is fair? The TCs have ALWAYS demanded WAY more than what proportionally belongs to them as the 18% of the population and the only reason they could do this is the Turkish army. The result is what I described above. The TCs are "addicted" to the Turkish army... it gives them a "high" elevating them to a position that they could not otherwise be. But like all addictions it will eventually kill them. We will not agree to any such "solution" and the TCs will be eventually swallowed by Turkey within a few decades. We will survive in the free part of Cyprus and if we ever get the chance we will liberate the north, regardless of who will be inhabiting it at the time.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby MR-from-NG » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:34 am

Get Real! wrote:
74LB wrote:indeed it is a different era and i hope you are correct however i doubt thats reason enough to sign on the dotted line.

Let me help you decide...

I’m generously offering the Ottoman remnant cowards the same guarantees that the native people of Cyprus were offered in the 1500s, the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s, the 1900s, and the 20th century!

My well-polished G3 is your only guarantee my friends… it’s guaranteed to widen your bum-holes.

Hold on, hold on one cotton picking minute. I was trying to convince my father that Turkeys guarantee would not be necessary in this day and age. He dismissed me, telling me I'm just a romantic fool and that I had no idea of the GC's blood thirsty, TC hating fanatics. The old man might have a point after all.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Lordo » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:54 am

it is a matter of how much support will they get from their fascist cousins from greece as well how will the federal police deal with them. if they do the same as last night where they were allowed to intimidate the peace event, gawd help us all
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Get Real! » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:11 am

MR-from-NG wrote:Hold on, hold on one cotton picking minute. I was trying to convince my father that Turkeys guarantee would not be necessary in this day and age. He dismissed me, telling me I'm just a romantic fool and that I had no idea of the GC's blood thirsty, TC hating fanatics. The old man might have a point after all.

You’d better start listening to your old man who seems to know more what kind of bed they made in Cyprus for you to sleep in.
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