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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:59 pm

Just received this .....another non Cypriot view of the talks that may be of interest ? But as I read this article it look like NATO is about to sell out Cyprus to keeps its obsolete operation going. But I understand Trump is going to overhaul NATO as what it was developed for is no longer valid. Just saying. :roll:

Why is the West selling out Cyprus?

The Western powers (NATO?) are pressuring the Republic of Cyprus to agree to an unjust settlement of the Cypriot conflict in order to appease Turkey and draw it away from the Eurasian powers.

http://theduran.com/west-cyprus-turkey-eurasia/
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:41 am

...no one is going to sell-out Cyprus; relax. (although thanks for the link, having left a comment, there.)
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:16 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...no one is going to sell-out Cyprus; relax. (although thanks for the link, having left a comment, there.)

Don’t leave comments on the Internet… you’re just making us rezili with your utter nonsense. :?
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:22 am

..."us", who is that?
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:16 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:..."us", who is that?

The citizens of the free world. :lol:
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:03 pm

"Whoever controls Cyprus controls the world" , Gen.TOLON

so... is it the supermilitarisation of Cyprus?

What was that movie?..."Fail Safe", made in the '60's, I think. Have you seen it? Couldn't the little island be Cyprus?

Turkey and USA are allies, both are or have been responsible for "illegal" aggression, (art.2; UN chart.), against other Nations, in war. Israel and Turkey, receive the brunt of America's military largesse, through funding. America and Britain, to a lesser degree, fund their enemies.

Turkey: "Little America", I think so. "Regional Peace Keeper", only a wish; without the recognition that Cyprus is a Sovereign State, with a people.

Either these Supra-Powers, enjoy a state of security that is unstable, or the matter is solved by agreement where all people acknowledge, their needs are met, and in cooperation there is progress, toward their betterment.

The island, therefore, cannot be de-militarised in the foreseeable future. Cypriots, at best, can have a say on how the military is configured, in cooperation with the other interlocutors.

Regional security is obtained with an agreement between Turkey and Cyprus, an alliance which would form a counterbalance to the demands from NATO, Britain and Greece.

In the simplest terms, Treaty of Defense= recognition Republic of Cyprus.

Accepting, and perhaps marketing our strategic position, in this manner we are providing an "Off-shore" service to other States, for our Neutrality, and Good Governance, toward their needs, which serves our purpose, for safety and Independence, as well.


...i wrote this ten years ago. Mind bending, still true today; of course with a change of intention, from the "but one" Erdogan.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:18 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
"Whoever controls Cyprus controls the world" , Gen.TOLON

so... is it the supermilitarisation of Cyprus?

What was that movie?..."Fail Safe", made in the '60's, I think. Have you seen it? Couldn't the little island be Cyprus?

Turkey and USA are allies, both are or have been responsible for "illegal" aggression, (art.2; UN chart.), against other Nations, in war. Israel and Turkey, receive the brunt of America's military largesse, through funding. America and Britain, to a lesser degree, fund their enemies.

Turkey: "Little America", I think so. "Regional Peace Keeper", only a wish; without the recognition that Cyprus is a Sovereign State, with a people.

Either these Supra-Powers, enjoy a state of security that is unstable, or the matter is solved by agreement where all people acknowledge, their needs are met, and in cooperation there is progress, toward their betterment.

The island, therefore, cannot be de-militarised in the foreseeable future. Cypriots, at best, can have a say on how the military is configured, in cooperation with the other interlocutors.

Regional security is obtained with an agreement between Turkey and Cyprus, an alliance which would form a counterbalance to the demands from NATO, Britain and Greece.

In the simplest terms, Treaty of Defense= recognition Republic of Cyprus.

Accepting, and perhaps marketing our strategic position, in this manner we are providing an "Off-shore" service to other States, for our Neutrality, and Good Governance, toward their needs, which serves our purpose, for safety and Independence, as well.


...i wrote this ten years ago. Mind bending, still true today; of course with a change of intention, from the "but one" Erdogan.

Yup, you were fucked in the head back then and you're fucked in the head today so what's the point you're trying to make?
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:00 am

74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

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74LB, lets say everything you wrote becomes true and the TCs are attacked day in day out by the GCs. Who then is going to stop Turkey from justifiably invading Cyprus to save the TCs from the GCs, guarantor power or not? So where is the risk for the TCs? Am I missing something?
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:02 pm

Kikapu wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


74LB, lets say everything you wrote becomes true and the TCs are attacked day in day out by the GCs. Who then is going to stop Turkey from justifiably invading Cyprus to save the TCs from the GCs, guarantor power or not? So where is the risk for the TCs? Am I missing something?


Kiks, this is what Gr said a while back, go back to page 2 and see for yourself.

"Let me help you decide...

I’m generously offering the Ottoman remnant cowards the same guarantees that the native people of Cyprus were offered in the 1500s, the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s, the 1900s, and the 20th century!

My well-polished G3 is your only guarantee my friends… it’s guaranteed to widen your bum-holes."

As for for what you're missing? We are all aware of your policy. You treat the fucking forum as a popularity contest. And of course there are more Greeks to please on the forum than Turks so you will always side with them. What you're missing and disrespecting is the will of the people. You are forgetting these people were saved by the skin of their teeth from certain extinction, they are scared shitless it will happen again, and looking at the hatred the Greeks have for the Turks who can blame them.
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Re: Cavusoglu Blasts EU Bogus Guarantorship!

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:50 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
74LB wrote:Lets imagine the talks go the way some wish ........ all Turkish troops leave, no guarantor powers, most if not all "non-Cypriots" also leave, no rotating presidency, most people return to their native villages/towns, adequate compensation is provided for all who lost out in the last 40 plus years etc etc.

As a TC what will stop any fanatical groups from attacking TC villages or towns ? Or even non-fanatics simply seeking revenge for what they sufferred in 1974 post the coup that overthrew Makarios. What will stop TC's who go about their day-to-day lives from disappearing to only be discovered many decades later in wells ?

Who do TC's turn to in this hour of need considering in all likelihood the police, security forces, army, government offices etc will be staffed in the main by GC's ? The vast majority of TC's cannot speak Greek and only a minority of students or graduates can get by using English.

I know most on this forum will say there is nothing to fear and i sincerely hope that would be the case but this is a genuine concern for most TC's.

Thanks

74LB


74LB, lets say everything you wrote becomes true and the TCs are attacked day in day out by the GCs. Who then is going to stop Turkey from justifiably invading Cyprus to save the TCs from the GCs, guarantor power or not? So where is the risk for the TCs? Am I missing something?


Kiks, this is what Gr said a while back, go back to page 2 and see for yourself.

"Let me help you decide...

I’m generously offering the Ottoman remnant cowards the same guarantees that the native people of Cyprus were offered in the 1500s, the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s, the 1900s, and the 20th century!

My well-polished G3 is your only guarantee my friends… it’s guaranteed to widen your bum-holes."

As for for what you're missing? We are all aware of your policy. You treat the fucking forum as a popularity contest. And of course there are more Greeks to please on the forum than Turks so you will always side with them. What you're missing and disrespecting is the will of the people. You are forgetting these people were saved by the skin of their teeth from certain extinction, they are scared shitless it will happen again, and looking at the hatred the Greeks have for the Turks who can blame them.


Actually I did read what GR wrote, and his response is basically because of the guarantees that TCs/Turkey wants. What I'm saying is, why do we TCs need to ask for any guarantees with BBF if Turkey can invade Cyprus to save the TCs should there be a need in the future? Who is going to stop Turkey from invading should there be a valid reason? I accept some TCs may be shit scared from the GCs, but there are also some GCs who are shit scared from the TCs/Turkey with guarantees, because it can be perceived, that with such guarantees from Turkey, that the TCs can misuse it to cause problems for the GCs. You are looking at things from just one end and I'm looking at things from both ends. In order to calm the fears of the other, neither side should have such guarantees as it can be abused, as Turkey has abused it's guarantee responsibilities since 1974, or do you disagree with this?

Just to remind you, Turkey NEVER had a guarantee power just to protect the TCs in Cyprus, but that's what Turkey is asking for now with some TCs. With such power given to Turkey, it can be abused in 1001 ways which will lead to the repeat of 1974 all over again, even without a good reason. Under these possibilities, what's the point of a "settlement", when it won't last too long before the next problems start under "false flag". The whole purpose of BBF is to allow each state to mind their own business, but under one Cyprus roof. Surely you can't trust Turkey not to fcuk things up in Cyprus in order to benefit herself? They are already asking for the 4 Freedoms to also apply to all the 80 million Turks in Cyprus and the EU along with security guarantees. If this is not intended to fcuk ALL Cypriots one way or the other, including the TCs, then you have more faith in Turkey than most Cypriots will ever have.
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