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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:12 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
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Londonrake wrote:And Tim renounce his U.K. Heritage.


How am I renouncing my UK heritage? I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a prize idiot.



Ahh. My apologies. I got the impression that you were "bailing out". Adopting a more appropriate nationality. Now that it seems your EUSSR one is under threat.

It's OK. Do throw out a few insults though, If it eases the pain of being a (bad) loser. I understand.

TBH, I think your fundamental problem is one of "rapidly coming to the conclusion". Get it? :wink:


Yes, and you carry on with your infantile, ad hominem arguments in the attempt to paper over your lack of any substantive arguments.


And I would like to welcome and congratulate you to Cypriot Citizenship for when you get it Tim which I am sure is just a matter of filling out the correct forms.

You're my Cypriot compatriot now. :D
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:14 am

Jerry wrote:And we keep being told that THEY need us more than we need them because half of our imports come from Europe, that's true but that figure is only 11% of EU exports whilst the EU takes in 50% of our exports - go figure who will have the most difficult task finding new markets.

The result, 48% to 52% was determined by a minority of racists, I don't accept it, I hope Parliament rejects Brexit.


If Britain doesn't get out of the Customs Union, then there would be no Britain as you know it in about 20 to 50 years.

Britain would not be British.

They did the right thing.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:22 am

We are constantly being told by certain people who are incapable of producing a single rational argument as to why the UK will be better off isolating itself from the continent of which by fact of geography it is part, that there was a referendum and leave got a majority so those who support remain must shut up othewise they are 'bad losers', 'bremoaners' etc. etc. ad nauseum.

The actual figures are that on June 23 last year, of 46,499,537 registered voters, 16,141,241 voted remain and 17,410,742 voted leave, which is a slim majority of those who voted but well below a majority of the total number of voters, and I do not see that any clear consensus emerged from that vote, certainly not for a change of such fundamental difference. I really wonder how much of the rhetoric in May's speech - which was strong on just that rather than any real substance - was just a show to keep the EU haters happy. Time will tell, but I believe there is stil all to play for.

I support the UK remaining in the EU and so want all British citizens to continue the enjoy the right of free movement throughout the vast area that the bloc has become. Obviously this is not a right that is dear to the heart of brain-dead bigoted little Englanders, and so be it. I would have been perfectly happy to continue living in Cyprus as a British citizen with my EU yellow slip, but if the UK is reduced to the sad position in which policy has to be dictated by kow-towing to the lowest common denominator of the racist welfare-dependant redneck on the sink estate who cannot stand the presence of EU migrant workers who are doing the job they are too idle to take and so free movement has to end, then that's how it will be and British people living in other EU countries will also lose that right. These people will have to look out for themselves. I meet the residence qualification to apply for Cypriot nationality, and if I am successful, I will retain that right which is dear to me, so why shouldn't I? I am not depriving anybody else of anything by doing so, nor does this amount to 'renouncing my UK heritage' any more than, say, Miltiades renounced his Cypriot heritage when he became a British citizen. I am simply exercising a right that is legally available to me so as to protect my interests.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:24 am

Paphitis wrote:
Jerry wrote:And we keep being told that THEY need us more than we need them because half of our imports come from Europe, that's true but that figure is only 11% of EU exports whilst the EU takes in 50% of our exports - go figure who will have the most difficult task finding new markets.

The result, 48% to 52% was determined by a minority of racists, I don't accept it, I hope Parliament rejects Brexit.


If Britain doesn't get out of the Customs Union, then there would be no Britain as you know it in about 20 to 50 years.

Britain would not be British.

They did the right thing.


Why would Britain not be British?
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:31 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Jerry wrote:And we keep being told that THEY need us more than we need them because half of our imports come from Europe, that's true but that figure is only 11% of EU exports whilst the EU takes in 50% of our exports - go figure who will have the most difficult task finding new markets.

The result, 48% to 52% was determined by a minority of racists, I don't accept it, I hope Parliament rejects Brexit.


If Britain doesn't get out of the Customs Union, then there would be no Britain as you know it in about 20 to 50 years.

Britain would not be British.

They did the right thing.


Why would Britain not be British?


Britain is a strong economy and London is a Financial Center.

Britain needs to control its borders. it's imperative.

Europe is going to change into something that will be unrecognizable in the future. Greece and Cyprus are lucky (in one way) in that their economy is terrible. If that changes, demographics will change forever. I actually worry that one day Cyprus will not be Cypriot. I know that may seem to be a bit racist of me, but I can't help it and maybe I am a bit racist and less progressive than a lot of people. Everyone's culture is something that should be preserved, whether it be British, German, French, Greek or Cypriot.

So I am a strong advocate for border control. No open borders. And a bit of protectionism too as far as jobs and manufacturing are concerned.

That is my opinion on the matter.

As for trade, it will still exist between Britain and the EU. It's in no one's interest for it to stop. But in addition, Britain will have trade deals with an array of other countries.

It's wrong to say Britain will isolate itself. that is just scare mongering. Britain will not be isolated from the EU. Britain will always have a pivotal role to play within Europe.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:49 am

You still haven't told me why Britian will not be Britain, especially with reference to the customs union, which is only about the way goods are processed through customs.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:50 am

Tim Drayton wrote:You still haven't told me why Britian will not be Britain, especially with reference to the customs union, which is only about the way goods are processed through customs.


When there are more Muslims in Britain and you have SHARIA, you are no longer Britain.

So far, 5% of the population and rising, plus their birth rate which is a lot higher.

As I said, I am not a progressive when it comes to these matters, SHARIA or the Islamic Dress Code in Western Countries.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:52 am

Paphitis wrote:
London is a Financial Center.



London is Europe's financial centre, and that status derives at least in part from it being an EU member and being fully integrated into the union.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:53 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
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London is a Financial Center.



London is Europe's financial centre, and that status derives at least in part from it being an EU member and being fully integrated into the union.


No it doesn't.

bar Germany, Europe has been down and out for a long time.

I don't know the statistics, but I wouldn't mind guessing that the majority of FTSE transactions are coming from China, and Wall Street.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:55 am

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Greece and Cyprus are lucky (in one way) in that their economy is terrible.



Yes, I think you will find that plenty of Greeks and Cypriots are thankful to the right of free movement just now as it gives them the opportunity of working in other EU countries - just like the many British construction workers who went to work in Germany in the 1980's when the construction sector in the UK was dead.
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