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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:57 am

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Greece and Cyprus are lucky (in one way) in that their economy is terrible.



Yes, I think you will find that plenty of Greeks and Cypriots are thankful to the right of free movement just now as it gives them the opportunity of working in other EU countries - just like the many British construction workers who went to work in Germany in the 1980's when the construction sector in the UK was dead.


The right of free movement could very well be the least of their problems one day.

You need to be in control of who comes in to your country. If you can't control that, then its kaput!

As for the economy, you need to be innovative. Of all countries, Britain is doing just fine with all the top stuff it manufactures. Only Germany has that kind of output in terms of volume and quality.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:01 pm

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Tim Drayton wrote:You still haven't told me why Britian will not be Britain, especially with reference to the customs union, which is only about the way goods are processed through customs.


When there are more Muslims in Britain and you have SHARIA, you are no longer Britain.

So far, 5% of the population and rising, plus their birth rate which is a lot higher.

As I said, I am not a progressive when it comes to these matters, SHARIA or the Islamic Dress Code in Western Countries.


Please expain the connection between the presence of Muslims in the UK and the customs union? There is none. I think you are probably referring to EU membership rather than the customs union. Even so, there is no Muslim country that is an EU member, so EU membership does not lead to Muslim immigration. I am afraid your thinking is rather muddled this morning. If anything, the influx of Polish Catholics and Romanian/Bulgarian Orthodox Christains could be said to be helping to water down the Muslim percentage of the population, for anybody who cares about such things. As you know, I am an atheist and all human beings are the same to me, so it is a non-issue in my book.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:02 pm

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As for the economy, you need to be innovative.



Nice to see something we agree on. It is the lack of innovation in Europe that is causing its economic stagnation, rather than the EU.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:03 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:You still haven't told me why Britian will not be Britain, especially with reference to the customs union, which is only about the way goods are processed through customs.


When there are more Muslims in Britain and you have SHARIA, you are no longer Britain.

So far, 5% of the population and rising, plus their birth rate which is a lot higher.

As I said, I am not a progressive when it comes to these matters, SHARIA or the Islamic Dress Code in Western Countries.


Please expain the connection between the presence of Muslims in the UK and the customs union? There is none. I think you are probably referring to EU membership rather than the customs union. Even so, there is no Muslim country that is an EU member, so EU membership does not lead to Muslim immigration. I am afraid your thinking is rather muddled this morning. If anything, the influx of Polish Catholics and Romanian/Bulgarian Orthodox Christains could be said to be helping to water down the Muslim percentage of the population, for anybody who cares about such things. As you know, I am an atheist and all human beings are the same to me, so it is a non-issue in my book.


Illegal immigration.

There are millions of them in France, Italy, Greece, Spain and all of them want to either go to Germany or Britain. There is only so much that can go there.

Then on top, add all the Eastern Europeans working on low wages.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:04 pm

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As for the economy, you need to be innovative.



Nice to see something we agree on. It is the lack of innovation in Europe that is causing its economic stagnation, rather than the EU.


But there is no lack of innovation in Britain.

The new Rolls Royce engine for A380 is one example. that is the pinnacle if you ask me. look at the prestige within British Motoring as well.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:05 pm

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Illegal immigration.



Nothing new under the sun about that, mate. You'll find there was illegal immigration to the UK before it joined the EU, and there will be if/when it leaves - except if the economy starts contracting it will be a less attractive destination.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:06 pm

well there you have it folks. we had cameron who threatened the eu with leaving to have his way and he got jack shit and now we have may who threatens the eu with making uk a tax haven unless she has her way. if becoming a tax heaven was so great why isn't every country doing it?

lets hope parliament grows some balls and puts an end to this.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:
As for the economy, you need to be innovative.



Nice to see something we agree on. It is the lack of innovation in Europe that is causing its economic stagnation, rather than the EU.


But there is no lack of innovation in Britain.

The new Rolls Royce engine for A380 is one example. that is the pinnacle if you ask me. look at the prestige within British Motoring as well.


Of course, there are exceptions, but the British economy is heavily service-based and there is not much innovation or productivity growth going on.
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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:07 pm

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Illegal immigration.



Nothing new under the sun about that, mate. You'll find there was illegal immigration to the UK before it joined the EU, and there will be if/when it leaves - except if the economy starts contracting it will be a less attractive destination.


Yes, but now Britain can go into lock down.

If they introduce Aussie Immigration policies, I bet there wouldn't be anymore illegal immigrants going to Britain.

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Re: May's Brexit Speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:08 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
As for the economy, you need to be innovative.



Nice to see something we agree on. It is the lack of innovation in Europe that is causing its economic stagnation, rather than the EU.


But there is no lack of innovation in Britain.

The new Rolls Royce engine for A380 is one example. that is the pinnacle if you ask me. look at the prestige within British Motoring as well.


Of course, there are exceptions, but the British economy is heavily service-based and there is not much innovation or productivity growth going on.


Are you telling me Rolls Royce is the exception to the rule?

You might as well say that BMW and Mercedes are also exceptions but they are not.
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