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Spiritual Division

Postby prize1974 » Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:08 am

When divinity is divided, humanity is also divided. Why heterogenous Roman Empire that supposedly evolved a 'Mediterranean nation' had a much shorter life than Byzantine Empire, that was Eastern Orthodox or Holy Roman Empire that had Catholic faith. The primary reason that Turks and Greeks could not co-exist is that their divinity is divided. Their value systems are different, world view is different, history is contradictory. When divinity is divided, humanity is also divided. You may euphorically bring them together for once, but that unity would not last. That is what happenend in Cyprus between 1960 and 74. Armenians are not Cypriots, but why they chose to align with them instead of Turks. It is beacuse their divinity is same as that of Greek Cypriots.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:02 am

I don't agree with this, and I don't believe the Turks believe it either otherwise they wouldn't apply to enter the EU.

There is no such thing as "divinity". Just powerful special interests that manipulate the naive masses.

Very different cultures can indeed create problems since the state has to take some decisions that can be seen very differently from very different cultures (death penalty, abortion etc). But Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots have quite common culture and this is not an issue in our case.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:57 am

The majority of the TCs were always atheists.Not even one TC becomes imam in the Northern part so they import imams from Turkey to serve for 4-5 years. The majority of the GCs today are atheists too, or pretend they are christians. They go to church only twice a year or for social events, marriages funerals etc.
Relegion was never actually a cause of division in Cyprus. Although yes most propably the Armenians, Maronites etc chose to be in the GC community because they had nothing else in common.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:27 pm

The majority of the GCs today are atheists too, or pretend they are christians.


I don't know about TCs but I don't think this is the case with GCs. Definitely the majority are not atheists, only a small minority. I remember in school I was the only one to question the crap that they were teaching in the religion courses. About "pretending" to be christians this depends on what you mean by "pretending". If we exclude Mother Teresa and the like, aren't all the rest pretending anyways? This doesn't mean they are not religious at all though. Some of the ones that pretend the most are the most religious also.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:33 pm

Hmm, it seems I have to admit wrong on most parts of my previous post.(I hope this will satisfy iskismet).
Well Piratis, yes I exagerated in my previous post.Actually the TCs are not atheists but lets say they tend to beleive to something like what we call in Greek "Unknown God". Also I should say the GCs are practicing relegion much less than what they did in the past.For example it is very very rare today to see anyone praying before sitting on the table to eat, whereas in the past that was common practice.

But if I may extend the discussion further what is our difference with the TCs then?
I think it's the language.
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Postby PEACE » Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:49 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:Hmm, it seems I have to admit wrong on most parts of my previous post.


I think you exagerated "too much".I observed that Gcs are so religious in general and going to church continual.Also church is still powerfull and can mix to politics even! :roll: We didn't forget that in the last bad events of 1963-1974 period,church played a chief role by provokation. :(


Yes,majority of the TCs,almost all,not going to mosques for religional activities.Instead most of us do it at home by ourself.

MicAtCyp wrote:But if I may extend the discussion further what is our difference with the TCs then?
I think it's the language.



Religion,language and political thinking style... we are different.But we are from same country and have same life style and smilar cultural things in common.Cypriot culture...
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Postby mehmet » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:56 pm

differences include language and religion. Even though most Turkish Cypriot's don't go to mosque most would consider themselves muslim's and will celebrate bayram. I think the differences are small compared to what we have in common. We also have a history of living together, mostly peacefully. I have been told that even my Turkish is spoken with a Greek accent.
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Postby michalis5354 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:57 am

It is true that the priests try to influence politics , and I personally would like to see no involvement at all. These priest sometimes encourage this fanatism either intentionally or not. Their role should be solely in church and nowhere else. If they wish to be involved in politics they should retire as god-servers and form their own political parties. They can not do BOTH. Unfortunately there are people who are influenced by them.

Personally I hardly go to church because I do not feel to go , especially when I see all these stupidity in church.

These priest create fanatism , similar to this fanatism we see in Iraq or Iran that create all these terorist groups though in not such degree.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:13 am

peace wrote: I observed that Gcs are so religious in general and going to church continual.

No, not today! None of my family or relatives goes to church on Sunday or prays at home. From my neighbourhood (about 20 houses) only an old woman goes to church every Sunday.

Mehmet wrote: I have been told that even my Turkish is spoken with a Greek accent.

And we speak Greek with a Turkish accent. No mainland greek can spell ş or ç or c correctly.We can!

Haydi re bacanaaaak. Ainte re sigambreeee :lol: :lol: :lol: :) :)
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Postby Chrisswirl » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:21 am

A question for any TCs, without trying to insult: would you say that, for whatever reason, since Turkey invaded the Turkish Cypriots have felt a stronger connection with Turkey and Islam?

My family is a Greek Cypriot one living in the UK and we go to church say... 3 times a year? Pascha (Easter), Christmas, and maybe one or 2 other times. Our priest is always shouting to the congregation (literally shouting) to come more often, and to pressurise the kids in coming to Greek School (propaganda central). My GC family in Cyprus are generally not overly religious, especially my younger family. However, my Yiayia and Papou (Gran and Grandad) go every week, and respect all fasts etc, they are very religious.
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