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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:34 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Δεν ξέρω για LR, αλλά αυτό το νησί ήταν το σπίτι μου για 27 χρόνια ....... εκείνης της εποχής, το τελευταίο 17 ως μόνιμος κάτοικος. Μπορώ να μιλήσω ελληνικά; Όχι, εκτός από μερικές ευγενικό expresions, αλλά όλοι οι φίλοι GC μας μιλούν τέλεια Αγγλικά.

Αν δούλευα εδώ, τότε θα πρέπει να μιλούν ελληνικά. Αλλά αν εφαρμοστεί αυτό το κύριο στην εργασία μου τη ζωή ήθελα να μιλούν τουλάχιστον 10 διαφορετικές γλώσσες. Ευτυχώς, τα αγγλικά μιλιούνται σχεδόν exclusisvely ως γλώσσα της σύμβασης στον κλάδο πετρελαίου / φυσικού αερίου.

Ain’t technology wonderful? :roll: Who needs a translator these day? I can now read/write a hundred different languages including Chinese! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And had you spelled "expressions" and "exclusively" right you would've had a near perfect translation. :lol:
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:37 pm

Londonrake wrote:Ich bin fließend in einem Pub oder Restaurant. Vielleicht solltest du meinen Sohn fragen, der dort geboren wurde? Jetzt arbeitet er in edinburgh für schottische Universitäten. Du solltest dich nicht in deiner Beratungen beleidigen. Google ist wunderbar!

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http://www.bing.com/translator/?text=Ic ... 0wunderbar!
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:38 pm

The term 'little Englander' is of course of charicature (as I am sure you will agree the term 'bremoaner' is unless you are such a fascist as to think that nobody who believes that the UK leaving the EU is a bad idea and will have seriously negative consequences for the country is not entitled to open their mouth and voice that opinion), but, as with all charicatures, it does touch on reality, such as the 'little Englander' trait of complaining about foreigners being unable to speak English but going to live in another country and failing to learn even a single word of the local language despite living there for years. So, given that it does charicature a certain set of traits that do very frequently coexist in the same people, I think it has a certain value in the argy bargy of boistrous political discourse. And there does seem to be a strong correlation between small minded bigotry, hatred of foreigners and dislike of the EU, but this does not meant that they necessarily always coincide.
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:39 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote: Έμαθες Ελληνικα;


[size=150]Blast learned?[/size]



Wrong. QED.
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:47 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote: Έμαθες Ελληνικα;


[size=150]Blast learned?[/size]



Wrong. QED.


I would rely on my browser over you any day ............. it is not biased against 'Little Englanders'. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Ich bin fließend in einem Pub oder Restaurant. Vielleicht solltest du meinen Sohn fragen, der dort geboren wurde? Jetzt arbeitet er in edinburgh für schottische Universitäten. Du solltest dich nicht in deiner Beratungen beleidigen. Google ist wunderbar!

Love my browser... :D

http://www.bing.com/translator/?text=Ic ... 0wunderbar!


Looks good!

I don't of course speak Greek - when you try it they just look blankly and respond in English! :lol: Neither, after 38 years, can I manage much German. Although, I will say to my credit. When I lost my Austin Allegro windscreen on the autobahn, going south to Italy, I did manage to convey my pissed-offness to the garage owner in Munich, who directed me to a suitable place for repairs in Saltzburg. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What does my not speaking this or that prove though with regard to the UK leaving the EU? Nothing. it doesn't mark me as a moron or Tim as a superbrain. Frankly, I would say that he is just trying to show off. As far as I'm concerned - so what? Transfer to the EU. Then we will all be happy? Bye!
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:48 pm

No such, term? I found this definition:

"Little Englander" is an epithet applied in criticisms of British nationalists, English nationalists, or English people who are regarded as xenophobic or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being "ignorant" and "boorish”. It is sometimes applied to opponents of globalism, multilateralism and internationalism, such as those who are against UK membership of the European Union.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander

Sounds about right to me.
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote: Έμαθες Ελληνικα;


[size=150]Blast learned?[/size]



Wrong. QED.


I would rely on my browser over you any day ............. it is not biased against 'Little Englanders'. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:58 pm

But you will see that on June 4 2016, see the top post on this page:

cyprus44898-20.html?hilit=English#p842392

You were berating immigrants to the UK, saying:

‘... 2m young immigrants .......he missed the that many would bring wives and children, many with no qualifications, many barely speaking English ...’

I.e. you are berating foreigners who come to the UK for doing just what you fail to do: speak the language of the country they are living in. A tad hypocritical, is it not. By the way, you will most probably not see the hyprocrisy because I have noticed that little Englanders usually don’t on that point.
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Re: Little Englanders, we tried to tell you!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:The term 'little Englander' is of course of charicature (as I am sure you will agree the term 'bremoaner' is unless you are such a fascist as to think that nobody who believes that the UK leaving the EU is a bad idea and will have seriously negative consequences for the country is not entitled to open their mouth and voice that opinion), but, as with all charicatures, it does touch on reality, such as the 'little Englander' trait of complaining about foreigners being unable to speak English but going to live in another country and failing to learn even a single word of the local language despite living there for years. So, given that it does charicature a certain set of traits that do very frequently coexist in the same people, I think it has a certain value in the argy bargy of boistrous political discourse. And there does seem to be a strong correlation between small minded bigotry, hatred of foreigners and dislike of the EU, but this does not meant that they necessarily always coincide.


Reverting to English for a while. It is of course "caricature". :wink: Is being called a fascist ad hominem? I ask because some time ago you became extremely agitated about ad hominem. IIRC, to the point of invoking a response from ADMIN.

AFAIK nobody in here has complained about foreigners being unable to speak English. At the very least that would be somewhat hypocritical, given our situations.

When it comes to learning Greek, to my undying shame I admit, I did try but as I said earlier it just invoked perplexed looks and responses in English. At my age the inordinate amount of time required in learning such is spent much more productively in growing a fascinating but perplexing Mediterranean garden. You of course are much younger.

You are fond of insults Tim. Despite your complaints about such against yourself. "Bigot" being a common one. On my part I think you do come across as being something of a snob. Old fashioned term, I know, but pretty spot on.

The UK is leaving the EU. Get used to the idea.
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