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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:30 am

Under the existing constitution it is the cabinet that votes to extend the state of emergency, and they have kept on voting to extend it by a further three months ever since what Kılıçdaroğlu calls the 'controlled coup'. The cabinet is made up entirely of Erdoğan stooges.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby kurupetos » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:48 am

The end of Kemalism... :mrgreen:

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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:21 am

Among the many demonstrations held yesterday against what is widely perceived to have been a rigged referendum (the opposition CHP has filed a formal objection to the result), there was one in Konya of all places, the town considered to be the stronghold of support for political Islam in Turkey.

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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:48 am

It appears that majority of Turks living in various democratic EU countries had voted "YES" in Turkey's referendum to do away with what excuse for democracy they already have in Turkey to none. How embarrassing it is, that Turks living in democratic countries would vote for a dictator to be Erdogan in Turkey. Switzerland's Turks bucked the trend.

Do I need to say more on how in general, Muslims/Islam is not compatible with Democracy?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39619354
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Lordo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:09 am

Kikapu wrote:It appears that majority of Turks living in various democratic EU countries had voted "YES" in Turkey's referendum to do away with what excuse for democracy they already have in Turkey to none. How embarrassing it is, that Turks living in democratic countries would vote for a dictator to be Erdogan in Turkey. Switzerland's Turks bucked the trend.

Do I need to say more on how in general, Muslims/Islam is not compatible with Democracy?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39619354

you need help sunshine. i reccomend isfendiar in north london. he has a good clinic over there special like just for the likes of you.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:30 am

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:It appears that majority of Turks living in various democratic EU countries had voted "YES" in Turkey's referendum to do away with what excuse for democracy they already have in Turkey to none. How embarrassing it is, that Turks living in democratic countries would vote for a dictator to be Erdogan in Turkey. Switzerland's Turks bucked the trend.

Do I need to say more on how in general, Muslims/Islam is not compatible with Democracy?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39619354

you need help sunshine. i reccomend isfendiar in north london. he has a good clinic over there special like just for the likes of you.


Thanks, but then again, I'm not the one who is living in denial! :wink:
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:21 pm

Kikapu wrote:It appears that majority of Turks living in various democratic EU countries had voted "YES" in Turkey's referendum to do away with what excuse for democracy they already have in Turkey to none. How embarrassing it is, that Turks living in democratic countries would vote for a dictator to be Erdogan in Turkey. Switzerland's Turks bucked the trend.

Do I need to say more on how in general, Muslims/Islam is not compatible with Democracy?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39619354


There was an interesting article on the BBC website into this phenomenon. The conclusion seemed to be that many Turkish migrants live in ghettos and face racism from the mainstream community, which pushes them in the direction of hypernationalism and makes strongman Erdoğan in the 'home country' appear to be an appealing figure. This is not a new phenomenon. Electoral support for the AKP has been strong in Germany and the Netherlands in past general elections.

Nevertheless, the evidence coming in is that the poll was rigged - at the very least, there exists such a presumption which can only be dispelled if the unstamped votes are looked into at the very least - so this means that the Turkish people, albeit by a smallish majority, in fact supported the democratic republic and the rule of law. So, I would suggest that democracy is compatible with Turkish society, which is largely Muslim.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:34 pm

In addition to the above, another factor is that theTurkish population in Germany and the Netherlands is mainly composed of low-educated people from the kind of areas where there is strong support for the AKP.

By contrast, the vote in the UK, where many educated, secular-minded Turks live, is very different. The UK vote in the referendum was 80% 'no':

http://www.turkiyegazetesi.de/ingiltere ... ari-canli/
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Lordo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:24 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:It appears that majority of Turks living in various democratic EU countries had voted "YES" in Turkey's referendum to do away with what excuse for democracy they already have in Turkey to none. How embarrassing it is, that Turks living in democratic countries would vote for a dictator to be Erdogan in Turkey. Switzerland's Turks bucked the trend.

Do I need to say more on how in general, Muslims/Islam is not compatible with Democracy?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39619354

you need help sunshine. i reccomend isfendiar in north london. he has a good clinic over there special like just for the likes of you.


Thanks, but then again, I'm not the one who is living in denial! :wink:

you are the last person to be able to see your own delusions. when it comes to understanding politics and the way people vote, i would call you a village idiot except that that would be a huge injsutcie to all village idiots including the old ghero who is 99 years old and sells pots and pans for a living. there are 1.8 muslins in the world all decent people. you have the countries where americans have economic interests and hence put in place dictatirs to be able to steal their reources on the cheap. but you refuse to see what has been going on since the early 50s around the world. of course this american policy is not just restricted to muslims they also apply to chrsitian countries with resources. but as you are blind as a bat i cannot possibly expect you to understand what is going on.

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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:33 am

An interesting little detail. At the ballot box where son of ex-president Abdullah Gül, one of the founding members of the AKP, voted, two ‘no’ and no ‘yes’ votes emerged.

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