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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:55 pm

Tim Drayton wrote: Well, the first little bit of post-poll activism is already taking place. The boss of the large dairy and food products Pınar announced that it would withdraw its sposorship of the Izmir football team Karşıyaka because the Karşıyaka area of izmir had the highest 'No' vote in the country (or at least was shown as such in the totally sham declared results). People are now boycotting that company's products and since they are premium products they are far more likely to be bought by the educated people who oppose Erdoğan than the ignorant masses who support him. There is a determination now to see that company bankrupted and I hope it happens.


I saw a news report from yesterday saying that Pınar's sales have fallen by 25% and they are cutting their prices to try and sell their goods. The first bit of post-referendum activisim is biting.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:24 pm

The oppression continueshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39716631
Turkey arrests 1,000 in raids targeting Gulen suspects
Police have arrested 1,000 people suspected of being part of a movement blamed for the failed 2016 coup.
Another 2,200 were being sought as authorities targeted what they said was a secret structure within Turkey's police force.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:26 pm

The rumour is that Erdoğan visited the Supreme Election Council and told its members they would be arrested and imprisoned as Gulenist suspects unless they played ball and passed the blatantly illegal decisions they did to enable the referendum to be rigged.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:31 pm

The CHP has just announced its intention to apply to the European Court of Human Rights over the 16 April referendum.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:43 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:The oppression continueshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39716631
Turkey arrests 1,000 in raids targeting Gulen suspects
Police have arrested 1,000 people suspected of being part of a movement blamed for the failed 2016 coup.
Another 2,200 were being sought as authorities targeted what they said was a secret structure within Turkey's police force.


I listened on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme yesterday evening to the analysis by Niyazi Kızılyürek, a Turkish Cyrpriot political scientist and in my view a pretty sharp political commentator, of the Turkish referendum and he thought things could go in two directions. Either Erdoğan could take a step back and go in the direction of reconciliation and try to reduce the great polarisation in the country, or he could continue on the course he has been following for years and crack down even further on all opposition and ratchet up the polarisation even more. It already appears clear that he will do the latter - in fact, I am sure he has become unhinged. Kızılyürek's view was that this path would be disastrous for Turkey even if it benefitted Erdoğan in the short term. Myself, I don't think it can go on for much longer and his end is near.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:35 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:The oppression continueshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39716631
Turkey arrests 1,000 in raids targeting Gulen suspects
Police have arrested 1,000 people suspected of being part of a movement blamed for the failed 2016 coup.
Another 2,200 were being sought as authorities targeted what they said was a secret structure within Turkey's police force.


I listened on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme yesterday evening to the analysis by Niyazi Kızılyürek, a Turkish Cyrpriot political scientist and in my view a pretty sharp political commentator, of the Turkish referendum and he thought things could go in two directions. Either Erdoğan could take a step back and go in the direction of reconciliation and try to reduce the great polarisation in the country, or he could continue on the course he has been following for years and crack down even further on all opposition and ratchet up the polarisation even more. It already appears clear that he will do the latter - in fact, I am sure he has become unhinged. Kızılyürek's view was that this path would be disastrous for Turkey even if it benefitted Erdoğan in the short term. Myself, I don't think it can go on for much longer and his end is near.


Who knows, perhaps the US would arrest Erdogan in the Zarrab and Atilla criminal case when he goes to visit Trump in May. Perhaps Trump is setting a trap for Erdogan by inviting him to Washington?
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:11 pm

Funnily enough, that did occur to me, too. As far as I know, the entire case file in the 17 December 2013 corruption case in Turkey that went to the very top and clearly implicated Erdoğan (but not the file in the twin 25 December case) has been translated into English and is part of the case papers in the Zerrab case - although, of course, the case in America is over circumventing sanctions against Iran and not domestic corruption in Turkey. Even so, I wouln't be surprised if Erdoğan had his finger in that pie, too, so we will see.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:15 pm

lol, i did not think of that.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:46 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:The oppression continueshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39716631
Turkey arrests 1,000 in raids targeting Gulen suspects
Police have arrested 1,000 people suspected of being part of a movement blamed for the failed 2016 coup.
Another 2,200 were being sought as authorities targeted what they said was a secret structure within Turkey's police force.


They have also suspended 9,103 police officers for links to the so-called Fethullah Gülen Terrorist Organisation (what Erdoğan's mob have called Gülen's mob since they fell out in 2013).

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... lindi.html

If they keep on ramping up the oppression like this, there will be an explosion.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby B25 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:12 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:The oppression continueshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39716631
Turkey arrests 1,000 in raids targeting Gulen suspects
Police have arrested 1,000 people suspected of being part of a movement blamed for the failed 2016 coup.
Another 2,200 were being sought as authorities targeted what they said was a secret structure within Turkey's police force.


They have also suspended 9,103 police officers for links to the so-called Fethullah Gülen Terrorist Organisation (what Erdoğan's mob have called Gülen's mob since they fell out in 2013).

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... lindi.html

If they keep on ramping up the oppression like this, there will be an explosion.


Inshallah!
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