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Postby Londonrake » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:07 pm

Early news is breaking of a "Yes" vote. Very similar % to the UK referendum, at first glance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39612562
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Cap » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:15 pm

predictable.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Lordo » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:29 pm

Londonrake wrote:Early news is breaking of a "Yes" vote. Very similar % to the UK referendum, at first glance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39612562

is that wit the stamped votes or without
chp is challenging 60% of the votes
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Zenon33 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:42 pm

Third world news.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:36 am

The Supreme Election Board announced while the poll was underway that polling slips that had not been duly stamped by the polling station would be accepted - unless it could be proved that they had been brought in from outside. The obvious questions are: 1. What was the number of such slips and were they enough to swing the poll, and 2. what percentage of the unstamped slips that were accepted were for 'Yes' and 'No'? Until this question, at least, is answered, the validity of the whole poll is in doubt, leaving aside the other reports of irregularities that are coming in. If it can clearly be demonstrated that the poll was rigged, then what validity does it have. Erdoğan had long since established his de facto dictatorship, anyhow.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Lordo » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:16 am

erdogan said 20 years ago what he tought of democracy when he said
"demokrasi ne? amacmi aracmi".
not even god will help terggis people and the countries around terggy of course.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:52 am

Lordo wrote:erdogan said 20 years ago what he tought of democracy when he said
"demokrasi ne? amacmi aracmi".
not even god will help terggis people and the countries around terggy of course.


Democracy and Islam are not compatible. Turkey has ONLY been going through the motions of democracy that has been the BIG lie, so to be called "Modern Turkey". Modern Turkey, my foot!

Turkish Cypriots were never like the Turks from Turkey when it came to religion and have a chance to live in a free democratic EU member Cyprus with the GCs, or else they face being rolled over and squashed by dictator Erdogan, now that he has officially earned that title.

So Akinci, what do you want to do, because the GCs are not going to follow you to be "strangled" by Turkey with the so called Turkey's Guarantees and Security?
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:59 am

The CHP is contesting the result and the onus is now on them to back this up and substantiate it. I am optimistic that they will be able to do this. Some things are clearly wrong. The results being fed by the state Anadolu Agency to TV stations were showing 'Yes' to be higher than the actual vote count at the Supreme Election Council, with various places starting to turn to their true colour on the map very late on, and then there was a lengthy interruption in the data flow after 95% of the vote was said to have been counted. The vote was 'No' in Istanbul and Ankara and also in 17 of the 30 metropolitan cities. There is a statistical anomoly here. The vote in the big cities always turns out to be decisive in Turkey and the vote in Istanbul alone normally turns out to be a pretty clear reflection of the national vote - not surprisingly really given that internal migration has made Istanbul pretty representative of the whole country's population - so why is there this mismatch? Could it be that the oppostition concentrated on guarding the polling stations in urban areas? That vote in Ankara, which has been turned into Melih Gökçek's personal fiefdom, was quite an achievement. I think the next few days will be critical. With Erdoğan already having the entire machinery of the state in his pocket, I do not actually expect anybody to be able to reverse the vote by proving that it was fraudulent, but if they can convince the world that this was so, they could still turn this victory on paper into something of a Phyrric victory.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:02 am

Kikapu wrote:
Democracy and Islam are not compatible. Turkey has ONLY been going through the motions of democracy that has been the BIG lie ...


I think that's a bit extreme. Genuine, or almost 100% genuine, polls have been held in Turkey, including the first one to bring the AKP to power. Democracy is possible under a secular order, and I believe that secularism is compatible with all religions as long as they move into the private sphere.
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Re: Turkish Referendum

Postby Kikapu » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:10 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Democracy and Islam are not compatible. Turkey has ONLY been going through the motions of democracy that has been the BIG lie ...


I think that's a bit extreme. Genuine, or almost 100% genuine, polls have been held in Turkey, including the first one to bring the AKP to power. Democracy is possible under a secular order, and I believe that secularism is compatible with all religions as long as they move into the private sphere.


Yes Tim, but, the so called "Modern Turkey" which has had 4 coups against Democracy and the last fake inside job coup only goes to show Democracy is foreign in Muslim countries. Yes, they may go through the motion of being democratic as a nation, but without true democratic values, but just only in name.
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