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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby Jerry » Tue May 02, 2017 8:07 pm

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erolz66 wrote:And some have wondered recently why there are so few posters and so few serious discussion of any worth and merit on this forum ?


I have to disagree with that statement. I really don't believe it's correct.

If you look at the list of OPs, you can see that the vast majority are generated by remarkably few people. As with your observation about GIG's posts, you will find that many of them display zero tolerance for any view which differs from their own. Particularly those expressed by somebody who is relatively new to the Forum. If you post something which contravenes their creed, you can find yourself subjected to a totally disproportionate and sometimes quite viciously racist attack.

Such people do not "wonder," or care, about the lack of posters. On the contrary, things are just how they want them to be. :(


If this is true then GIG is actually giving the forum a boost.
Forums don't thrive on agreements,they thrive on disagreements and on turning other people mad, to the point they can't help but respond, often vigorously.
Look what happened to Milti as soon as his personal polls got "banned". What happened to his historical to be mother of all polls?? He just left...
think of it this way: Would Erolz ever respond if it weren't for GIG's post and if GIG was not irritating him so much?
erolz getting mad at GIG's posts is actually becoming a rule in this forum :lol: :lol: :lol:


I disagree. Rational arguments, discussions and debates are fine but here they tend to degenerate into personal attacks and snide remarks. There are a few on CF that post interesting and useful stuff, that's why I look in every day but I have given up regular posting because of the super patriots on both sides - they do Cyprus and the Cypriot cause no favours.
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 02, 2017 8:25 pm

erolz66 wrote:To claim 'Luxembourg has become one of the most debt ridden nations in the world', even in terms of external debt, whilst ignoring the external assets it also holds is beyond absurd.


Back with more lies and straw men, huh!

Luxembourg is 10th in the list of the world's 25 debt-ridden nations:

10. Luxembourg: $1.994 trillion

Luxembourg, a small nation landlocked by Belgium, France and Germany, is a prominent financial centre. Its gross external debt stands at $1.994 trillion.

Debt as in percentage of GDP: 3,854%

Per capita debt: $4,028,283


http://m.rediff.com/money/slide-show/sl ... 216.htm#22
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 02, 2017 8:26 pm

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:And some have wondered recently why there are so few posters and so few serious discussion of any worth and merit on this forum ?


I have to disagree with that statement. I really don't believe it's correct.

If you look at the list of OPs, you can see that the vast majority are generated by remarkably few people. As with your observation about GIG's posts, you will find that many of them display zero tolerance for any view which differs from their own. Particularly those expressed by somebody who is relatively new to the Forum. If you post something which contravenes their creed, you can find yourself subjected to a totally disproportionate and sometimes quite viciously racist attack.

Such people do not "wonder," or care, about the lack of posters. On the contrary, things are just how they want them to be. :(


I've hardly posted since you entered the scene. Left you all to it - apart from the occasional remark. :P
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 02, 2017 8:28 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I rather thought it was gIG getting made at mine ....


Ah, diddumbs, I've been too busy to give you much attention. :P
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 02, 2017 9:49 pm

Hi Erolz

I hope you are keeping well, and thank you for the moral support.

As usual gIG has demonstrated her lack of reading ability by ignoring what you wrote about the net debt position, or NIIPs, which, after off setting both debits and credits makes Luxemburg a net creditor. The key point is that unlike some other natoons who have needed bail out,Luxemburg!s debt is manageable.

The Cyprus mail has today indicatec that sufficientbagreement has been reached so the next cheap loan can be handec to Greece, to pay off existing loans, but clearly some work needs to be done to reduce the dependence on debt to pay off debt and that requires meeting primary surplus targets, with a modest continuing surplus funded by higher taes and lower pensions.

The Tsipoura seems to think that the crises can only be fully solved by further European Integration, which will erode National soverignty. I am not entirely convinced, nor do I think is Le Penn, and if she gets in and manages Frexit, then the EU, and in particular the Eurozone has big problems,,and Grexit may occur for reasons not connected with Greek debt, as a Part of general "restructuring" of the Eurozone and Eu, and that is not good news for anybody, in particular net beneficies of EU funds.

Anyway we have to see what happens with the French elections.
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 02, 2017 9:56 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:I rather thought it was gIG getting made at mine ....


Ah, diddumbs, I've been too busy to give you much attention. :P


Really? I can't say I missed you....
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby Get Real! » Tue May 02, 2017 9:58 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Hi Erolz I hope you are keeping well, and thank you for the moral support.

Your wolf pack needs all the support it can get… after all it’s a Greek female you’re going after! :lol:

You lot are funny… there’s like 5 guys on one girl and you still can’t win! :lol:
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Tue May 02, 2017 11:22 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:To claim 'Luxembourg has become one of the most debt ridden nations in the world', even in terms of external debt, whilst ignoring the external assets it also holds is beyond absurd.


Back with more lies and straw men, huh!

Luxembourg is 10th in the list of the world's 25 debt-ridden nations:

10. Luxembourg: $1.994 trillion

Luxembourg, a small nation landlocked by Belgium, France and Germany, is a prominent financial centre. Its gross external debt stands at $1.994 trillion.

Debt as in percentage of GDP: 3,854%

Per capita debt: $4,028,283


http://m.rediff.com/money/slide-show/sl ... 216.htm#22




How about the merry winners? ;-) Must be fake news, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_debtor_nations_by_net_international_investment_position_per_capita
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 02, 2017 11:34 pm

CrookedRiverGuy wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:To claim 'Luxembourg has become one of the most debt ridden nations in the world', even in terms of external debt, whilst ignoring the external assets it also holds is beyond absurd.


Back with more lies and straw men, huh!

Luxembourg is 10th in the list of the world's 25 debt-ridden nations:

10. Luxembourg: $1.994 trillion

Luxembourg, a small nation landlocked by Belgium, France and Germany, is a prominent financial centre. Its gross external debt stands at $1.994 trillion.

Debt as in percentage of GDP: 3,854%

Per capita debt: $4,028,283


http://m.rediff.com/money/slide-show/sl ... 216.htm#22




How about the merry winners? ;-) Must be fake news, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_debtor_nations_by_net_international_investment_position_per_capita


Maybe not "fake" but as it states, incomplete! :wink: If you convert it per capita, Cyprus and Greece are nestled with the countries that consider themselves as being among the most powerful.
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Re: Slowly slowly my dear.

Postby erolz66 » Wed May 03, 2017 1:59 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote: If you convert it per capita, Cyprus and Greece are nestled with the countries that consider themselves as being among the most powerful.


No they are not.

If you rank those countries by their per capita figures, Greece remains in exactly the same 2nd place as ranked by % of GDP and Cyprus moves from 1st to 3rd. Luxembourg still does not appear in the list at all, however you rank it, as it is not a debtor nation but a creditor nation.

If you had any interest in trying to gain actual understanding from these figures, rather than just trying to exonerate anything Greek and condemn anything not Greek, then you would consider both the 'per capita' (how much debt 'each person' has) figures and ranking AND the % of GDP (ability to support debt) figures and rankings. You could combine both by multiplying the per capita figure by the % GDP figure to give a single metric that shows the combination of both aspects of national external indebtedness, which would produce the following figures and ranks

 Cyprus 36,005
 Greece 33,721
 Portugal 25,386
 Spain 21,278
 Australia 18,039
 USA 11,121
 UK 2,559
 Brazil 1,113
 Indonesia 785
 India 51
 Philippine 28

On this metric, that is indicative of both aspects of the indebtedness of a nation, Cyprus and Greece, far from being 'nestled' with other countries, are in fact even further 'in the lead' than other nations, even those that are, unlike Luxembourg, widely regarded by rational people to also have serious national external debt problems, like Spain and Portugal.

This kind of irrational and plainly false 'arguing' by GiG that seeks only to commend anything Greek for no other reason than it is Greek and condemn anything not Greek for no other reason than it is not Greek, is boring, tedious, banal and actually an insult to the vast majority of Greeks and those with Greek heritage that do not think and behave in such ways as well as to the heritage of the many great Greek thinkers of antiquity. This kind of behaviour combined with the inevitable savage and vitriolic attacks launched against anyone who shows such behaviour up for what it is, undoubtedly imo plays a significant role in discouraging worthwhile debate and discussion on this forum.
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