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The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 02, 2017 11:25 pm

I haven't seen this new film, "The Promise", but it's getting some publicity for relating the history that Turkey denies. By denying they carried out these atrocities, it leaves us knowing that Turkey will repeat them as it accepts no shame, guilt or wrongdoing. This awful history, Turkey has repeated, as we know, in Cyprus.

But there is more to denial than this. The late Ottoman state and any number of provincial actors enriched themselves with the houses, belongings, and businesses of deported Armenians. They and their heirs had every interest in covering up the crime.



The Promise is set during the Armenian genocide, one of the atrocities that definied the 20th century. Professor of modern history Donald Bloxham tells it like it was.

Figures will never be precise but Hilmar Kaiser, one of the most rigorous historians of the genocide, places the minimum number who died because of Ottoman policy in 1915-16 at 1.1 million, well over half of the pre-war population.

What drove the Turks to target the Armenians is what drives Isis to kill the Yazidi Kurds.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/static/the-promise/
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed May 03, 2017 11:24 pm

Turkey then and Turkey ....
Some deportees bought a stay of execution by surrendering whatever valuables they had managed to bring. Kidnapped women were forced into marriage or protracted sexual slavery. Many, like the children abducted from the convoys, were forcibly converted to Islam as a means of assimilation into the Turkic-Muslim social body.


Some Turks here would rather denigrate Cyprus and defend Luxembourg (of all places, where they keep their money, perhaps?) ...
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu May 04, 2017 7:37 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Turkey then and Turkey ....
Some deportees bought a stay of execution by surrendering whatever valuables they had managed to bring. Kidnapped women were forced into marriage or protracted sexual slavery. Many, like the children abducted from the convoys, were forcibly converted to Islam as a means of assimilation into the Turkic-Muslim social body.


Some Turks here would rather denigrate Cyprus and defend Luxembourg (of all places, where they keep their money, perhaps?) ...


same old, same old....a typical off topic bit of abuse slipped into another threat, so typical of gIG. The fact of the matter is that EU nations are all audited in the same way - and the numbers speak for themselves - wherby Greece and Cyprus are both net debtors under the NIIPS analysis, but Luxembourg (and the UK) are creditors - AND THE NUMBERS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH DO NOT REPORT DO NOT CHANGE THE NET INDEBTEDNESS (ACCORDING TO THAT ANALYSIS) OF GREECE OR CYPRUS ONE IOTA., WHETHER gIG LIKES IT OR NOT!

Oh and BTW what the Ottoman Regime did to the Armenians and Pontian Greeks (and other minoritries) is completely beyond the pale.
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby DT. » Thu May 04, 2017 10:30 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Turkey then and Turkey ....
Some deportees bought a stay of execution by surrendering whatever valuables they had managed to bring. Kidnapped women were forced into marriage or protracted sexual slavery. Many, like the children abducted from the convoys, were forcibly converted to Islam as a means of assimilation into the Turkic-Muslim social body.


Some Turks here would rather denigrate Cyprus and defend Luxembourg (of all places, where they keep their money, perhaps?) ...


same old, same old....a typical off topic bit of abuse slipped into another threat, so typical of gIG. The fact of the matter is that EU nations are all audited in the same way - and the numbers speak for themselves - wherby Greece and Cyprus are both net debtors under the NIIPS analysis, but Luxembourg (and the UK) are creditors - AND THE NUMBERS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH DO NOT REPORT DO NOT CHANGE THE NET INDEBTEDNESS (ACCORDING TO THAT ANALYSIS) OF GREECE OR CYPRUS ONE IOTA., WHETHER gIG LIKES IT OR NOT!

Oh and BTW what the Ottoman Regime did to the Armenians and Pontian Greeks (and other minoritries) is completely beyond the pale.


Not sure what you mean but Cyprus is still a Net contributor to the EU budget. What do you mean by Cyprus being a net debtor? The Emergency Liquidity Assistance that the Bank of Cyprus owed has been repaid in full.
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 04, 2017 4:06 pm

DT. wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Turkey then and Turkey ....
Some deportees bought a stay of execution by surrendering whatever valuables they had managed to bring. Kidnapped women were forced into marriage or protracted sexual slavery. Many, like the children abducted from the convoys, were forcibly converted to Islam as a means of assimilation into the Turkic-Muslim social body.


Some Turks here would rather denigrate Cyprus and defend Luxembourg (of all places, where they keep their money, perhaps?) ...


same old, same old....a typical off topic bit of abuse slipped into another threat, so typical of gIG. The fact of the matter is that EU nations are all audited in the same way - and the numbers speak for themselves - wherby Greece and Cyprus are both net debtors under the NIIPS analysis, but Luxembourg (and the UK) are creditors - AND THE NUMBERS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH DO NOT REPORT DO NOT CHANGE THE NET INDEBTEDNESS (ACCORDING TO THAT ANALYSIS) OF GREECE OR CYPRUS ONE IOTA., WHETHER gIG LIKES IT OR NOT!

Oh and BTW what the Ottoman Regime did to the Armenians and Pontian Greeks (and other minoritries) is completely beyond the pale.


Not sure what you mean but Cyprus is still a Net contributor to the EU budget. What do you mean by Cyprus being a net debtor? The Emergency Liquidity Assistance that the Bank of Cyprus owed has been repaid in full.


Have a look here DT,
cyprus45714.html
The issue was about the NIIP indicator
I would really like to hear your view on the matter
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby DT. » Thu May 04, 2017 8:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
DT. wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Turkey then and Turkey ....
Some deportees bought a stay of execution by surrendering whatever valuables they had managed to bring. Kidnapped women were forced into marriage or protracted sexual slavery. Many, like the children abducted from the convoys, were forcibly converted to Islam as a means of assimilation into the Turkic-Muslim social body.


Some Turks here would rather denigrate Cyprus and defend Luxembourg (of all places, where they keep their money, perhaps?) ...


same old, same old....a typical off topic bit of abuse slipped into another threat, so typical of gIG. The fact of the matter is that EU nations are all audited in the same way - and the numbers speak for themselves - wherby Greece and Cyprus are both net debtors under the NIIPS analysis, but Luxembourg (and the UK) are creditors - AND THE NUMBERS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH DO NOT REPORT DO NOT CHANGE THE NET INDEBTEDNESS (ACCORDING TO THAT ANALYSIS) OF GREECE OR CYPRUS ONE IOTA., WHETHER gIG LIKES IT OR NOT!

Oh and BTW what the Ottoman Regime did to the Armenians and Pontian Greeks (and other minoritries) is completely beyond the pale.


Not sure what you mean but Cyprus is still a Net contributor to the EU budget. What do you mean by Cyprus being a net debtor? The Emergency Liquidity Assistance that the Bank of Cyprus owed has been repaid in full.


Have a look here DT,
cyprus45714.html
The issue was about the NIIP indicator
I would really like to hear your view on the matter


I actually had a pm conversation with someone on this, hadn't realized there was a discussion on this somewhere else. Anyways don't mean to get in the middle but for what it's worth my view is:

Luxembourg is a custodian haven for hedge funds. Anything these Sicavs own is labelled as foreign assets owned by domestic residents thus counted in the assets category. Hardly accurate depiction by the NIIP since most of this is US and Gulf pension fund money. I guess what you really should look at when faced with a case like Luxembourg is the Govt debt which looks pretty reasonable at 22% of GDP whereas Cyprus is at 107% and the UK at 90%. But thats mainly because Luxembourg's overbloated GDP of 58bn (over 20bn of that is from fund admin and custodianship of other people's money) makes their debt as high as Cyprus's despite the smaller population.
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu May 04, 2017 11:01 pm

DT. wrote: But thats mainly because Luxembourg's overbloated GDP of 58bn (over 20bn of that is from fund admin and custodianship of other people's money) makes their debt as high as Cyprus's despite the smaller population.


Thank you! I rest my case.
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby Mustiejodu » Fri May 05, 2017 10:14 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I haven't seen this new film, "The Promise", but it's getting some publicity for relating the history that Turkey denies. By denying they carried out these atrocities, it leaves us knowing that Turkey will repeat them as it accepts no shame, guilt or wrongdoing. This awful history, Turkey has repeated, as we know, in Cyprus.

But there is more to denial than this. The late Ottoman state and any number of provincial actors enriched themselves with the houses, belongings, and businesses of deported Armenians. They and their heirs had every interest in covering up the crime.



[quote]The Promise is set during the Armenian genocide, one of the atrocities that definied the 20th century. Professor of modern history Donald Bloxham tells it like it was.

Figures will never be precise but Hilmar Kaiser, one of the most rigorous historians of the genocide, places the minimum number who died because of Ottoman policy in 1915-16 at 1.1 million, well over half of the pre-war population.


IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADMITED TO GENOCIDE ? THE NAZIS DID NOT, YOU LOT DID NOT PRE 1974, BOSNIAN SERBS STILL DENY ETC ETC.

I MUST SAY SOME OF YOU ARE SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR TURKS THAT YOUR BRAIN ONLY JUST FUNCTIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ONLY SEEING FROM A BIASED VIEW. ITS INTERESTING THAT HUMAN BEINGS
LIKE YOU STIL EXIST. I SUPPOSE IN ABOUT A THOUSAND YEARS YOUR FUTURE ANCESTORS MIGHT JUST DEVELOPE A MORE BROADER AND OPEN MINDED WAY OF THINKING AND ONLY THEN MAYBE YOUR ANCESTORS WILL STOP JUST LOOKING AT THE MIRROR AND TALKING TO YOURSELF BUT ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT GC's ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST ON EARTH. THE CHOSEN ONES.
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:I haven't seen this new film, "The Promise", but it's getting some publicity for relating the history that Turkey denies. By denying they carried out these atrocities, it leaves us knowing that Turkey will repeat them as it accepts no shame, guilt or wrongdoing. This awful history, Turkey has repeated, as we know, in Cyprus.

But there is more to denial than this. The late Ottoman state and any number of provincial actors enriched themselves with the houses, belongings, and businesses of deported Armenians. They and their heirs had every interest in covering up the crime.



The Promise is set during the Armenian genocide, one of the atrocities that definied the 20th century. Professor of modern history Donald Bloxham tells it like it was.

Figures will never be precise but Hilmar Kaiser, one of the most rigorous historians of the genocide, places the minimum number who died because of Ottoman policy in 1915-16 at 1.1 million, well over half of the pre-war population.


IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADMITED TO GENOCIDE ? THE NAZIS DID NOT, YOU LOT DID NOT PRE 1974, BOSNIAN SERBS STILL DENY ETC ETC.

I MUST SAY SOME OF YOU ARE SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR TURKS THAT YOUR BRAIN ONLY JUST FUNCTIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ONLY SEEING FROM A BIASED VIEW. ITS INTERESTING THAT HUMAN BEINGS
LIKE YOU STIL EXIST. I SUPPOSE IN ABOUT A THOUSAND YEARS YOUR FUTURE ANCESTORS MIGHT JUST DEVELOPE A MORE BROADER AND OPEN MINDED WAY OF THINKING AND ONLY THEN MAYBE YOUR ANCESTORS WILL STOP JUST LOOKING AT THE MIRROR AND TALKING TO YOURSELF BUT ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT GC's ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST ON EARTH. THE CHOSEN ONES.



Germany did acknowledge the crimes of the Nazis and paid huge compensations.
10,000 dead people from your side during the inter communal violence between 1960 and 1968 (mostly) plus another 10,000 from our side is not genocide by any stretch of the imagination. A certain number of those who died back then were actually killed by their own people, for all sorts of reasons including treason for the "struggle"
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Re: The Promise: Film on one of Turkey's genocides.

Postby Get Real! » Sat May 06, 2017 12:40 am

Mustiejodu wrote:I MUST SAY SOME OF YOU ARE SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR TURKS THAT YOUR BRAIN ONLY JUST FUNCTIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ONLY SEEING FROM A BIASED VIEW. ITS INTERESTING THAT HUMAN BEINGS
LIKE YOU STIL EXIST. I SUPPOSE IN ABOUT A THOUSAND YEARS YOUR FUTURE ANCESTORS MIGHT JUST DEVELOPE A MORE BROADER AND OPEN MINDED WAY OF THINKING AND ONLY THEN MAYBE YOUR ANCESTORS WILL STOP JUST LOOKING AT THE MIRROR AND TALKING TO YOURSELF BUT ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT GC's ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST ON EARTH. THE CHOSEN ONES.

What makes your unique stance particularly sick and perverted is that you actually expect the occupied (native Cypriots) to have a fondness for the occupier (Turkey/Turks)… something that has never happened in the history of mankind as it is contrary to human nature.

And with this super-perverted expectation of yours, you have the gal to call the occupied “closed minded” and “under developed” for failing to live up to your fucked-up expectation! :?

So in laymen’s terms… you are seriously fucked in the head. :|
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