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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Lordo » Tue May 09, 2017 8:54 pm

patrick jane wrote:Good evening.

Yesterday I went to Famagusta in the northern part of Cyprus and when touring around the city I saw a huge sieged town. No one is allowed inside it, but I can see the deserted homes and buildings.. they represent nothing but sadness, a town that once used to be one of Cyprus's best tourism attractions. I read everything there's to read about Verosha and how almost 40K people fled in an instant, but the thing I don't understand yet is why make it a forbidden entry zone not to mention the tremendous amount of Turkish soldiers around every inch of the town ? Verosha was taken in August 1974 and since then no one had made entry except for the high ranked officials of the Turkish army.

It is also my wish to exchange talks with people who are actually from verosha and were among the ones who fled in 1974. I was also told that many people left all their belongings on the hope to some day go back.

please share anything you know about Verosha.

Thank you !

assuming that you are indeed a new memember and not one of oracle's creations it is a little strange of you to stab and open wound and ask if it hurt.

believe it or not it was offered to the gcs with no strings attached and they refused it. in any case it used to belong to evkaf before the british decided to give it the their gc cousins.

so all is well that ends well as it were.

onward and upward.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Sotos » Wed May 10, 2017 12:02 am

patrick jane wrote:
Sotos wrote:The proper name is Varosha. The Turks keep it empty as a bargaining chip. They want to give back just that and keep everything else they took from us. If you thought that the case of Varosha is the worst you are mistaken. At least nobody lives in Varosha. In all our other cities and villages in the north, the Turkish army not only ethnically cleansed all the native population but they also brought Turkish Settlers from Turkey and gave them our homes and properties to live in.


From what I know, when discussing the matter of Turkish invasion to Cyprus, it feels like Turkish-speaking original Cypriots are not included as if we are only talking about Greek Cyprus. Before the Turks took the northern part there were both Greek and Turkish Cypriots (according to Wikipedia) and the reason behind this in the first place as I read is because the Greek government wanted to take control all over Cyprus and consider it a Greek Island or something like that, disregarding the native Turkish Cypriots. Now I am sorry if my info are misplaced , but that's what I read in every news, article and historical information related to this topic.

Thanks buddy !


Turkish Cypriots are as native as White people are native in USA, Africa and Australia. They are all colonists of about the same era. I am pretty sure than in the USA when you talk about "native Americans" you are not referring to White people, right? Most importantly Turkish Cypriots are a minority. The Turks didn't want merely to have a say (because nobody ever denied to them a proportional say), but they wanted their view to be imposed against the wishes of the great majority. For example the Falklands, Gibraltar and Scotland all choose to be part of the UK and nobody said that they couldn't be because a minority of people in those territories didn't want this to happen. One thing is for the human and minority rights of minorities to be respected, and a whole another thing for a minority to collaborate with foreigners and to use force to deny to the majority their democratic rights.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Sotos » Wed May 10, 2017 12:23 am

MR-from-NG wrote:
patrick jane wrote:Good evening.

Yesterday I went to Famagusta in the northern part of Cyprus and when touring around the city I saw a huge sieged town. No one is allowed inside it, but I can see the deserted homes and buildings.. they represent nothing but sadness, a town that once used to be one of Cyprus's best tourism attractions. I read everything there's to read about Verosha and how almost 40K people fled in an instant, but the thing I don't understand yet is why make it a forbidden entry zone not to mention the tremendous amount of Turkish soldiers around every inch of the town ? Verosha was taken in August 1974 and since then no one had made entry except for the high ranked officials of the Turkish army.

It is also my wish to exchange talks with people who are actually from verosha and were among the ones who fled in 1974. I was also told that many people left all their belongings on the hope to some day go back.

please share anything you know about Verosha.

Thank you !

There's always 2 sides to a story and then there's the truth. 23rd of December 1963 was the GC's attempt at wiping out the TC's and gifting our beautiful island to Greece (ENOSIS). It all kicked off from there. By all means do your research but I wouldn't take too much notice of what CF members have to say. These guys would wipe the TC's out at the drop of a hat, you're not going to anything near the truth from them or TC's for that matter. Good luck and welcome to the forum.


You Turks have gotten a divorce from the truth. You are the ones who hold the record in the number of committed genocides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll) and even in Cyprus you have killed 10s of thousands of people at a time. But when in a conflict which you start you lose a few 100s of people you accuse as of supposedly "wiping you out". And it certainly didn't "kick off" in 1963. Not only you oppressed us for centuries before that, wiping out 10s of thousands of native Cypriots, but even in the more recent history it is the Turks who refused to allow Cypriots to freely and democratically choose the future of our own island and you choose violence instead. Here is a video from 1958 showing Turks in London demanding our ethnic cleansing from half of our island. Also in the same year (1958) the Turks committed the first massacre in Cyprus since the end of Ottoman rule. I hope your math are good enough to understand that 1958 is earlier than 1963.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/cypri ... ng-street/

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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Sotos » Wed May 10, 2017 12:32 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Sotos wrote:The proper name is Varosha. The Turks keep it empty as a bargaining chip. They want to give back just that and keep everything else they took from us. If you thought that the case of Varosha is the worst you are mistaken. At least nobody lives in Varosha. In all our other cities and villages in the north, the Turkish army not only ethnically cleansed all the native population but they also brought Turkish Settlers from Turkey and gave them our homes and properties to live in.


Quite correct. A lot of Cypriots (both Greek speaking and Turkish speaking ) were displaced: The figures for internally displaced Cypriots varies: UNFICYP estimates 165,000 Greek Speaking Cypriots and 45,000 Turkish Speaking Cypriots. The UNHCR registers slightly higher figures of 200,000 and 65,000 respectively, which is partly based on official Cypriot statistics which register children of displaced families as refugees.That is something like 40% of the Greek Speaking Cypriots and 50 % of Turkish speaking Cypriots.

Control of abandoned Turkish speaking Cypriot property in the South has been taken over by the Government and is mostly held in trust: it has been rented out, in theory only to GSC refugees but some, in prime areas, has been sublet illegally. Turkish Speaking Cypriots have a legal right to reclaim their property, on terms. There has however been jiggery-pokery with the law to get some released for development, e.g. the Dromoloxia Land Scandal.

The same cannot be said for the property of displaced Greek Speaking Cypriots. Much of that has been illegally sold and redeveloped as e.g,. Hotels and Casino or for housing, occupied by Carpet-baggers like the Orams, looking for a cheap place in the sun, built on stolen land.

In my view the recognition of the Immovable Property Commission by the EHCR was a travesty - it gave the thieves the right to decide who got the proceeds of the theft. The Pseudo law under which it was established should never have been recognised. Shame on the ECHR.


"Displaced" is something that happens when you are forcefully removed from where you live. This is what happened to the Greek Cypriots. For the Turkish Cypriots (and Turks in general), partitioning Cyprus and ethnic cleansing was (and remains) their AIM since the 1950s and those numbers that you mention are a result of the Turkish invasion... nobody would have been displaced if the Turks didn't want everything divided in two and they instead accepted to live in peace among us like every other ethnic minority.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed May 10, 2017 8:22 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:Control of abandoned Turkish speaking Cypriot property in the South ...


Oh really, ImperialistDog? There's Cypriot property that speaks Turkish, now?


Is that the best you can do, be abusive with you usual pathetic epithets when I contrast the honorable way the lawful government has acted, as opposed to the thefts perpetrated by the invaders and their illegal puppet-state pseudo-regime?

Any way, if you wish to nit-pick, let's say Turkish Speaking Cypriot owned property and Greek Speaking Cypriot owned property, and have done...
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed May 10, 2017 8:32 am

It may be worth noting that Varosha was set to return to Greek Cypriot control under the 2004 Annan Plan, but the latter plan was rejected by about 75% of Greek Cypriots in a referendum and did not come into being.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby DrCyprus » Wed May 10, 2017 9:47 am

Tim Drayton wrote:It may be worth noting that Varosha was set to return to Greek Cypriot control under the 2004 Annan Plan, but the latter plan was rejected by about 75% of Greek Cypriots in a referendum and did not come into being.


It may be worth nothing that the 2004 Annan Plan also included a clause where the Turkish army would maintain a sizeable military force in the island.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby DrCyprus » Wed May 10, 2017 10:04 am

patrick jane wrote:
Sotos wrote:The proper name is Varosha. The Turks keep it empty as a bargaining chip. They want to give back just that and keep everything else they took from us. If you thought that the case of Varosha is the worst you are mistaken. At least nobody lives in Varosha. In all our other cities and villages in the north, the Turkish army not only ethnically cleansed all the native population but they also brought Turkish Settlers from Turkey and gave them our homes and properties to live in.


From what I know, when discussing the matter of Turkish invasion to Cyprus, it feels like Turkish-speaking original Cypriots are not included as if we are only talking about Greek Cyprus. Before the Turks took the northern part there were both Greek and Turkish Cypriots (according to Wikipedia) and the reason behind this in the first place as I read is because the Greek government wanted to take control all over Cyprus and consider it a Greek Island or something like that, disregarding the native Turkish Cypriots. Now I am sorry if my info are misplaced , but that's what I read in every news, article and historical information related to this topic.

Thanks buddy !



Hey buddy!

Is this the typical American arrogance, where you read half a Wikipedia page and suddenly become a professor on Cypriotology?

Here, we are giving you genuine feedback, right from the Cypriot's mouth (whether the Cypriot speaks Greek or Turkish), and let you decide for yourself what you want to believe, and you response is to try to "educate us" by referencing Wikipedia?

If you want the opinions of Cypriots, well you got them.
If you want a not biased account on the Cyprus problem buy this book: https://www.amazon.com/Hostage-History- ... 1859841899
If you want to tell us what we should believe or say, get lost.

or as your people put it "Check yourself, before you wreck yourself".
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed May 10, 2017 12:01 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It may be worth noting that Varosha was set to return to Greek Cypriot control under the 2004 Annan Plan, but the latter plan was rejected by about 75% of Greek Cypriots in a referendum and did not come into being.


It may be worth nothing that the 2004 Annan Plan also included a clause where the Turkish army would maintain a sizeable military force in the island.


There would be a phased demilitarisation of Cyprus. All Cypriot security forces would be disbanded while Greece and Turkey would each be allowed to keep up to 6,000 troops in Cyprus until 2011. That would be reduced to 3,000 each by 2018 or earlier if Turkey joined the EU before that date.

After that, numbers would be scaled down to the original 950 Greek and 650 Turkish troops envisaged under the 1960 Treaty of Alliance. This would be reviewed every three years with the aim of an eventual total withdrawal of all Greek and Turkish forces.


http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/12/29/peace ... nnan-plan/
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby DT. » Wed May 10, 2017 12:09 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It may be worth noting that Varosha was set to return to Greek Cypriot control under the 2004 Annan Plan, but the latter plan was rejected by about 75% of Greek Cypriots in a referendum and did not come into being.


It may be worth nothing that the 2004 Annan Plan also included a clause where the Turkish army would maintain a sizeable military force in the island.


There would be a phased demilitarisation of Cyprus. All Cypriot security forces would be disbanded while Greece and Turkey would each be allowed to keep up to 6,000 troops in Cyprus until 2011. That would be reduced to 3,000 each by 2018 or earlier if Turkey joined the EU before that date.

After that, numbers would be scaled down to the original 950 Greek and 650 Turkish troops envisaged under the 1960 Treaty of Alliance. This would be reviewed every three years with the aim of an eventual total withdrawal of all Greek and Turkish forces.


http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/12/29/peace ... nnan-plan/


Don't want to get into a discussion on the dangerous mistakes within the Annan plan (and I have many), how do you think Cyprus would have faired under Erdogan during the coup in Turkey?
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