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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Sotos » Wed May 10, 2017 6:14 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.

You feel safer with 40,000 Turkish troops in the north rather than than 6,000 in 2011, set to fall after that? OK.

With the 1960 agreements there were only a few 100s of Turkish troops. Did this stop Turkey from invading in 1974?

What is most important for our security is to have stability and for Turkey not to have any good excuse to invade. With a bad solution it is not only our security that will worsen but also democracy will end, and Cyprus will become a worst place overall... less European and more Turkish with Erdogan being the puppet-master of the whole island.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed May 10, 2017 8:32 pm

Sotos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.

You feel safer with 40,000 Turkish troops in the north rather than than 6,000 in 2011, set to fall after that? OK.

With the 1960 agreements there were only a few 100s of Turkish troops. Did this stop Turkey from invading in 1974?

What is most important for our security is to have stability and for Turkey not to have any good excuse to invade. With a bad solution it is not only our security that will worsen but also democracy will end, and Cyprus will become a worst place overall... less European and more Turkish with Erdogan being the puppet-master of the whole island.


The invasion did not just happen for no reason. It happpened in part because what you had in 1960 was thrown away, in particular in the period late 1962 to 1964 and in 1967' and then there were the events of 15th July 1974.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Sotos » Wed May 10, 2017 10:23 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.

You feel safer with 40,000 Turkish troops in the north rather than than 6,000 in 2011, set to fall after that? OK.

With the 1960 agreements there were only a few 100s of Turkish troops. Did this stop Turkey from invading in 1974?

What is most important for our security is to have stability and for Turkey not to have any good excuse to invade. With a bad solution it is not only our security that will worsen but also democracy will end, and Cyprus will become a worst place overall... less European and more Turkish with Erdogan being the puppet-master of the whole island.


The invasion did not just happen for no reason. It happpened in part because what you had in 1960 was thrown away, in particular in the period late 1962 to 1964 and in 1967' and then there were the events of 15th July 1974.


This is what happens when instead of letting people to democratically decide what they want you instead blackmail and force on them a screwed up system that serves foreigners and a minority. We want our freedom to do what we want with our country. If something is racist and undemocratic, for example, we should be able to throw it away and progress. I don't want my country to get stuck in some some undemocratic, racist system and to fear that any attempt at progress could be used as an excuse by Turkey to invade us. As far as coups go, Turkey had at least 3 of them. This is what happens in unstable systems such as the one they have in Turkey and the one we were given in 1960. We don't want any more of that kind of crap. We want to improve what we have today... not to get something which is worst than what we had in 1960!
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Lordo » Wed May 10, 2017 11:54 pm

Sotos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.

You feel safer with 40,000 Turkish troops in the north rather than than 6,000 in 2011, set to fall after that? OK.

With the 1960 agreements there were only a few 100s of Turkish troops. Did this stop Turkey from invading in 1974?

What is most important for our security is to have stability and for Turkey not to have any good excuse to invade. With a bad solution it is not only our security that will worsen but also democracy will end, and Cyprus will become a worst place overall... less European and more Turkish with Erdogan being the puppet-master of the whole island.

so if the reason for the intervention in 1974 i so weak. the overthow of a government and being replced by a known terggish cypriot murderer was a poor excuse, perhaps you can use both your brain cells and tell us what you consider a legitemate reason for terggy to intervene?

go on I dare you. tell us.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby kurupetos » Thu May 11, 2017 9:42 am

Soon enough, kuzeni vromoshilla... :mrgreen:
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu May 11, 2017 10:50 am

Sotos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.



The Greek junta staged a coup in Cyprus on 15 July 1974 and overthrew the legitimate government. This provided Turkey with the pretext/justification to intervene under the Treaty of Guarantee. As you well know and has been discussed ad nauseum on this pathetic site.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby B25 » Thu May 11, 2017 10:57 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If a united, sovereign Cyprus was accepted internationally, including by Turkey, what legimate excuse would Turkey have for invading?

We had that in 1960. An excuse was created regardless. How legitimate the excuse is doesn't seem to bother Turkey that much.



The Greek junta staged a coup in Cyprus on 15 July 1974 and overthrew the legitimate government. This provided Turkey with the pretext/justification to intervene under the Treaty of Guarantee. As you well know and has been discussed ad nauseum on this pathetic site.


Yes, and he is telling you, ad nauseum that Turkey didn't need any fnk excuse they would have come anyway.

Do you think Turkey gives a fly fig about anything?? Are you serious in thinking you can reason with these terrorist criminals. Given your love for them why don't you go live there and be amongst them. I rest my case.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu May 11, 2017 11:11 am

No, what he said was:
"If they want to invade without any excuse they can do it regardless of anything else. But if they need an excuse ..."
and we were discussing the second possibility, i.e. invading with an excuse. I think we all agree that the first possiblity also holds.
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu May 11, 2017 11:16 am

B25 wrote:Given your love for them why don't you go live there and be amongst them.


Given that I have been arguing that I see Turkey occupying one-third of the island and having turned it into a virtual de-facto province of Turkey as being a great threat, and I want to see a solution to reunify Cyprus and end the Turkish occupation of part of the island, how do you come to the above conclusion?
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Re: Ghost Town, Verosha

Postby B25 » Thu May 11, 2017 12:02 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:Given your love for them why don't you go live there and be amongst them.


Given that I have been arguing that I see Turkey occupying one-third of the island and having turned it into a virtual de-facto province of Turkey as being a great threat, and I want to see a solution to reunify Cyprus and end the Turkish occupation of part of the island, how do you come to the above conclusion?


Because the feeling I always get when I read your posts on Turkey is that there is bias in their favour. You seem to always have a justification for what they did/do.

Sure we all want what you said above in the end, but whenever some has a pop at Turkey, you always seem to be there to 'prop' them up! That's how I see it.
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