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Re: My political views

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:08 pm

Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.

Mycenaean Greeks are nothing but a very expensive fairy-tale that destroyed Cyprus.


I will not argue with that Point of view - there is quite a respectable school of thought developing that much of what the Greeks claim as their own was in fact Persian in origin, but the true origins were hidden with the destruction done by the rabble under Alexander the Macedonian -
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Re: My political views

Postby tsukoui » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:41 pm

you will find most Cypriots can likely trace most of their ancestry back to the earliest permanent settlers , which was long before there was anything Greek about Greece, let a alone before any movement of people from Greece to Cyprus,

You don't get it do you? Cyprus and what is now Turkey didn't become "Greek" through conquest, they became Greek through trade, Greek was an idea. That idea may have been cemented and built upon by Alexander when the various peoples' who had adopted the Greek idea were unified into an empire, but the idea existed before that.

Similarly, Islam is a message, and that message has been adopted by various people across the globe and for a time was partially unified under the Ottomans following a conquest.

Turkey is another idea, the idea of Ataturk.

Both the Ottomans and Turkey are partially built on ancient Greek foundations.

DNA has nothing to do with whether Cyprus is "Greek" or "Turkish", these are ideas, Cypriot DNA as you rightly state can be traced back to the earliest settlers.
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Re: My political views

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:47 pm

tsukoui wrote:You don't get it do you? Cyprus and what is now Turkey didn't become "Greek" through conquest, they became Greek through trade, Greek was an idea. That idea may have been cemented and built upon by Alexander when the various peoples' who had adopted the Greek idea were unified into an empire, but the idea existed before that.

There’s no such thing as becoming “Greek” through trade or anything else for that matter.

These are just narcissistic fantasies taught in the daft education systems of Greece and Cyprus.

I challenge them to demonstrate their childish theories…. let’s see you convert a foreign nation through trade, dance, song, sex, or any other means you may care to mention!

Had such a thing been possible America would be the first to master such a technique! :lol:

In fact America even gives away FREE goods and services to some countries yet nobody has contemplated changing their ethnicity!
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Re: My political views

Postby lonewolfcypriot » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:03 pm

Personally, It doesn't matter to me what the f.... you identify as. We must work together for a united Cyprus whatever your ethnicity because this will effect every single one of us and believe me it will. Get together or die alone.
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Re: My political views

Postby B25 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:07 pm

lonewolfcypriot wrote:Get together or die alone.


I'd rather cut off my meat and 2 veg with a broken bottle! :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: My political views

Postby tsukoui » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:21 pm

lonewolfcypriot wrote:Personally, It doesn't matter to me what the f.... you identify as. We must work together for a united Cyprus whatever your ethnicity because this will effect every single one of us and believe me it will. Get together or die alone.

Without having lived under occupation it is very hard to gauge what is possible. We would all like to see the real TCs take up arms against their occupiers, but that would probably be suicidal given the level of military and settler presence. The TMT weren't afraid to kill GCs, but they were fanatics. AKEL has always advocated a peaceful way forward, a strategy for which they have even been branded traitors in the past. TCs do rebel. A large chunk of them boycott the illegal pseudo-democracy in the North for example. There have also been protests. What more can be done? Is it possible to seek international solidarity for an end to the occupation? In my experience it is always the GCs who speak out, when really it should be the TCs. Where are the TCs organising for international recognition and solidarity with their plight of living under occupation? Is it really so risky to seek international solidarity to secure the TC culture against the settlers and army presence? Why do the TCs always approach the GCs saying they want to live together rather than take their cause for a united Cyprus to the international community? If they are against the occupation, as they say they are, if they really feel they are the victims of Turkish occupation, why don't they raise their voices internationally so that the world realises that they are suffering? It is this lack of representation of victimhood at the hands of Turkey that allows the big powers to keep framing the issue as an ethnic divide when in fact it is all about imperialism. The North of Cyprus is not Palestine. Palestinian's sacrificing their lives against their occupiers is not the same as TCs struggling against theirs. The big difference is that the myth in the North of Cyprus is that the TCs and the settlers are one. Yet what evidence do we have that this myth is not true? You yourself Lonewolf speak of uniting Turkik people. As a Cypriot I believe that is cowardice.
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Re: My political views

Postby lonewolfcypriot » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:59 pm

sorry about all of that Turanist stuff earlier. I wasn't thinking straight at the time.
I am currently doing my part to unite Cyprus (I won't tell you what that is, secret!). If we all did a little than I reckon it could be possible but if we just sit around on the internet chatting shit than it will be beyond our reach.
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Re: My political views

Postby Maximus » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:54 pm

lonewolfcypriot wrote:sorry about all of that Turanist stuff earlier. I wasn't thinking straight at the time.
I am currently doing my part to unite Cyprus (I won't tell you what that is, secret!). If we all did a little than I reckon it could be possible but if we just sit around on the internet chatting shit than it will be beyond our reach.


You would have more luck reuniting Egypt or Iraq with Turkey.

Who cares if the occupied areas die's alone?
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Re: My political views

Postby lonewolfcypriot » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:40 am

Not quite maximus, if we all do a little it will lead to phenomanol change.
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Re: My political views

Postby B25 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:38 am

lonewolfcypriot wrote:Not quite maximus, if we all do a little it will lead to phenomanol change.


You have no power to do anything. Turkey talks, TCs walk. Simples.

We should be talking direct to Turkey not some middle man who is looking for his cut.
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