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What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:38 am

A very pragmatic and measured analysis of what would likely happen if the war of words turned into a real war between the US and Russia. Saker argues that the Russians would not need to go nuclear to respond against a US attack should deterrence fail. I found it an interesting and very realistic hypothesis.

Maybe NOT the end of The World but certainly a wake-up call for the Americans. :o :wink:

Debunking Two American Myths - By The Saker

There are two myths which are deeply imprinted in the minds of most US Americans which are extremely dangerous and which can result in a war with Russia.

• The first myth is the myth of the US military superiority.

• The second myth is the myth about the US invulnerability.

I believe that it is therefore crucial to debunk these myths before they end up costing us millions of lives and untold suffering.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48185.htm
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:21 pm

I Think the answer is we are generally fucked, in any event.

One cannot exclude that the Fart that a minorty voted for in the USA would "go nuclear" - and they accused Hilary of being the one likely to cause WW 3 - not that I think she was any more preferable to the Fart.
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:38 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I Think the answer is we are generally fucked, in any event.

One cannot exclude that the Fart that a minorty voted for in the USA would "go nuclear" - and they accused Hilary of being the one likely to cause WW 3 - not that I think she was any more preferable to the Fart.


I have always thought The Saker to be an excellent analyst and what struck me was his belief that the Russians could take on the US Nuclear threat without going nuclear themselves.

He has a very deep knowledge of Russian and US weaponry and thinks things out as degrees of probability as a tactical analyst would, based on what each side has available. Obviously, if Trump attacked them with Nukes the Russians would a respond likewise (they would have no option) but like Saker, I can't see that the Russians would resort to Nuclear as a pre-emptive first strike, they would use the weapons described ...... backed by a threat of one. IMO: If the American people were hurt, or they lost half a dozen carriers and were then threatened with total destruction, they would back-down ..... rather than risk an 'end-of-the-world' scenario.

Maybe? :wink:
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:55 pm

While I think Putin is a Crook (so much money has just vanished while his friends like his Cellist have become very rich) I do not think he is stupid so I do not think Russia would initiate an attack - at least not knowingly - but I do not think the Fart is as clever as he thinks he is, let alone as clever as Putin, and if by some mischance something got out of control, eg arising from the accidental shooting down of a plane, than I can see the Fart dangerously over re-acting, and pressing the button certainly rather sooner than Putin.
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:13 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:While I think Putin is a Crook (so much money has just vanished while his friends like his Cellist have become very rich)...

Where do you get such shit from, western media? :roll:

And how come you're never concerned about the wealth of the Clintons, Bush family, Obamas, etc... :?

A tad biased by any chance or always been full of shit?
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Zenon33 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:12 pm

Not with Putin and Trump.
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:05 am

Get Real! wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:While I think Putin is a Crook (so much money has just vanished while his friends like his Cellist have become very rich)...

Where do you get such shit from, western media? :roll:

And how come you're never concerned about the wealth of the Clintons, Bush family, Obamas, etc... :?

A tad biased by any chance or always been full of shit?


Try the Panama papers and interview with the Russian Opposition
http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/57161f07a1bb8d3c3495bc36/ -
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As it is you can read about how the Clintons, Bushes, and Obama, based upon what was publically declared, and none of it by the means used in Russia wher People with Putin connections suddenly get Rich - therwise explain how a humble cellist and friend of putin ended up worth USD 2 Billion -

see also https://www.occrp.org/en/laundromat/the-russian-laundromat-exposed/
https://www.occrp.org/en/paradisepapers/the-magic-isle-how-wealthy-russians-use-an-offshore-territory-to-avoid-taxes-on-private-jets
https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/6289-new-husband-of-putin-s-ex-wife-buys-posh-villa-in-south-of-france


Most of the Clinton money comes from Speaking engagments - at between USD 125000 and USD 500,000 a throw, or writing, same for Obama, USD 400,000 a throw, . The Bushes have been in business (investment banking) for decades ... plus of course the speaking fees - plus book earnings, plus of course official salaries and allowances granted to past Presidents

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/barack-obamas-net-worth-54-happy-birthday-mr-president/.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-bushes--a-wall-street-dynasty-2012-11?op=1/#er-take-a-class-on-trading-stocks-22
https://www.npr.org/2016/08/17/490102648/the-clintons-wrote-the-book-on-how-politicians-climb-out-of-middle-class

But then you won't read about Putin's wealth in the Controlled Russian Media or see progreams about it on RT: :D :D :D
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:18 pm

STUD, you are clueless, utterly useless in research, and basically a total waste of time and space on forums. :lol:

Start waking up to what the rest of the world is researching...

“Clinton foundation scandals”

“The Bush Crime Family”
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:32 pm

I would expect Putin to be wealthy but so far I have seen nothing but speculation as to how wealthy. Figures vary as they do with all the speculative claims against the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas etc. It is ALL speculation. What is a fact is that the Pentagon cannot account for 6-5 TRILLION dollars!!! Maybe they have been paying Putin to interfere with the US elections and that is how he has got so wealthy? :roll: But this has sod all to do with the likelihood of a nuclear war kicking-off between the US and Russia.

Today, Teresa May decides to jump on the band wagon with more anti-Putin speculation, making a lot of accusations without a shred of fact. As usual she leaps in with Russian aggression in Crimea (what happened to the peoples democratic right of self determination the West keeps shouting about?) but conveniently overlooks all the numerous acts of aggression by the UK/NATO. Like the bombs the RAF are dropping on Syria every day .....I hear them flying out ...... all illegal of course and contrary to acceptable international standards.

The NATO Commander (Stollenberg?) has warned Europe to prepare for a Russian invasion ...... where TF does he get this information from? The only place you will find an imaginary Russian threat is in the Western Media and the US Senate ..... with the UK/EU poodles following on behind.

Can any body actually name a recent event where Russia has illegally carried out any acts of war or even military aggression against another Nation? Compare the acts of aggression they accuse Russia of, even if they are truly acts of aggression, they pale into insignificance compared with Western acts of aggression. I am afraid that in my book Putin has infinitely more of my respect for his actions and his diplomatic efforts than I could possibly credit even a fraction of for the pathetic and supercilious attitude of any Western government.

If they pay Putin for results ..... then he has every right to be fabulously rich! If May was paid for her results she wouldn't get the bus fare home, she and most of her colleagues would be paupers.
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Re: What if the US and Russia went to war?

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:49 pm

As a follow on to the Saker article ........ as the man says this has not been covered by the Western MSM. :roll: :wink:

Will America Survive Washington? - By Paul Craig Roberts

In recent columns posted on my website, I brought attention to two dramatic and dangerous developments between the two major nuclear powers.

One was the public statement of the deputy commander of the Russian military’s Operation Command at a recent Moscow security conference. Lt. Gen. Viktor Poznihir, Deputy Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces, stated at the Moscow International Security Conference that the Operations Command of the Russian General Staff has concluded that Washington is preparing a nuclear first strike on Russia.

The other is the report that the US is collecting Russian DNA for the US Air Force weapons laboratory, the implication being that the US intends to research if a bio-weapon can be created that only targets Russians.

As far as I can ascertain, neither of these startling developments were reported in the US media. One would think that the White House would have been on the telephone to Putin giving reassurances that the US is not planning a surprise nuclear attack on Russia. One would think that the publication of US contracts for Russian DNA and Putin’s public statement about it would have immediately resulted in President Trump ordering a halt to the Russian DNA project.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48196.htm
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