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The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Zenon33 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:04 pm

President Donald Trump reversed decades of US policy on Wednesday and recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in defiance of warnings from around the world that the gesture risks creating further unrest in the Middle East.

In a speech at the White House, Trump said his administration would begin a process of moving the US embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which is expected to take years.

The status of Jerusalem – home to sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions – is one of the thorniest obstacles to reaching a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.

“I have determined that it is time to officially recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” Trump said. “While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering.”

Israel considers the city its eternal and indivisible capital and wants all embassies based there. Palestinians want the capital of an independent Palestinian state to be in the city’s eastern sector, which Israel captured in a 1967 war and annexed in a move never recognized internationally.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed Trump’s announcement as a “historic landmark” and urged other countries also to move their embassies in Israel to Jerusalem.



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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:57 am

According to the early news reports the only country in agreement with Trumps action ...... is Netanyahu and his government. I always said the capital of the USA was Tel-Aviv this proves it ! Jerusalem should remain as the UN has it designated ...... an international city that remains the centre of the Worlds three major religions.

Sad day for any chance of peace in the region, :x
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:50 pm

It makes historic sense for Jerusalem to be recognized as a wholly (and Holy) Israeli city - as to whether it's their capital or not is up to the people of Israel but it seems they are happy with that.

I'm sure the Israelis would respect the early Christian traditions that reside there too.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:21 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:It makes historic sense for Jerusalem to be recognized as a wholly (and Holy) Israeli city - as to whether it's their capital or not is up to the people of Israel but it seems they are happy with that.

I'm sure the Israelis would respect the early Christian traditions that reside there too.


What a strange response from a staunch GC! :o

So the fact that only Turkey recognises the TRNC, that’s OK with you and makes their recognition legitimate? After all it makes ‘historic sense’ as the RoC only came into existence in 1960, before that it was occupied by the British who had previously annexed the Island from Turkey in the early 1900’s.

The similarity between what happened in 1974 in Cyprus and prior to that in Palestine in 1947/8 is quite remarkable and I have always wondered why Cyprus is so pro-Isreal and ignores events in Gaza and the West Bank.

The GC’s should be thankful that Turkey stopped at what is now the green line. If they had followed the Israeli format ......... Limassol would be like Gaza, the other parts of the Island that were GC would be isolated and the GC Gaza would be the subject of a land/sea and air blockade and frequently bombed/shelled. Then the TC's/Turks, would have declared Nicosia as the capital city of The Tutkish Republic of Cyprus.

Trumps actions have now achieved the unthinkable! The Muslim World is united against Trump (and as a consequence the US) simply as Muslims to recognise and defend their Holy sites. The Christians are of the same mind although less demonstrative.

A good site for an informed view of events in Palestine/Israel, historic and current:

http://ifamericaknew.org/

A documentary, narrated mainly through the lives of Palestinian children in Gaza – ‘Tears of Gaza’ ..... of course, some will find it boring, others a window to reality for the Palestinians in Gaza. Make your own mind up:

http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/tears-of-gaza
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:21 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:It makes historic sense for Jerusalem to be recognized as a wholly (and Holy) Israeli city - as to whether it's their capital or not is up to the people of Israel but it seems they are happy with that.

I'm sure the Israelis would respect the early Christian traditions that reside there too.


One off post.

Spot on.

Christian or not, if you would read the Bible, you come to the understanding that Israel is situated exactly upon the Old Testament's promised land. In fact, the promised land also includes Sinai, and the Suez Canal but the Israeli's handed those territories back to Egypt after the comprehensive victory of the 7 Day War (1967) when the Arabs were expecting to drive the Israelis into the Mediterranean but instead got their behinds handed to them on a platter and with a cherry on top.

Jerusalem as Israel's capital just seems oh so natural and right.

Christmas Greetings to all. 2018 years ago, a Jewish boy was born in Bethlehem. That's present day Israel too for those that don't know.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am

Robin Hood wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It makes historic sense for Jerusalem to be recognized as a wholly (and Holy) Israeli city - as to whether it's their capital or not is up to the people of Israel but it seems they are happy with that.

I'm sure the Israelis would respect the early Christian traditions that reside there too.


What a strange response from a staunch GC! :o

So the fact that only Turkey recognises the TRNC, that’s OK


You seem to lack the real historic flow.

The equivalent (and there are none, really) if you are searching for a hook to make sense of this mess, would be Trump 'recognizing' what is now called Istanbul as Constantinople and as Greek!

A second example, that's nearer the mark, is Trump declaring to Turkey that Nicosia is the capital of the Republic Cyprus and removing the 'divided-city' abomination of a label and hence opening the way to totally removing Turkey from its false claims.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:20 pm

Paphitis:

Your understanding of the history of the region is at best thin! The Bible is a collection of fairy tails of unknown origin ,,,,, so don't put too much faith in it as a accurate record of events covered.

GIG:

Any land belongs to those that live there, their religion in that context is irrelevant. The problem with Trumps announcement is when it is spliced in with Netanyahu's Zionists demand that both the State of Israel and Jerusalem are the exclusive homeland of the Jews. The Jews have never asked for this and are in the main opposed to the Zionists. The Balfour declaration and UN resolutions make clear this was never the intent of awarding the Jews a homeland in Palestine. Jerusalem was deliberately excluded in the UN Partition proposal, which the Israeli's never stuck to, and made an international zone because then no single faith could claim jurisdiction.

I can be a Jew, so can you, because Judaism is a religion. The Ashkenazim of Eastern Europe (a warlike nation) adopted Judaism and the Talmud, and chose to become members of the Jewish faith some time around 1000AD(?). Zionism did not raise its head until the mid 1800's. The problem is with the latter! But that is a subject none of us know very much about so we have only opinions, based on what we think we know. 'If Americans Knew' is a fairly easy to understand website and gives the factual history of the region and the various conflicts ...... even if only used a reference.

IMO: The sensible solution is the UN declaration that 10% of the land mass forming Israel/Palestine should be an international zone that includes Jerusalem and that the State of Israel should be defined by the pre-1967 borders.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Sotos » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:44 pm

First of all I do not agree with what Trump did. There is a similarity between Cyprus and Palestine (the occupation) but historically they are not similar. Israel is the historic land of the Israelis who lived in that territory before the Arabs. On the other hand the Turks have no deep roots in Cyprus... and they are just invaders and illegal occupiers. That said, I've been to Israel, and a lot of the Israelis are obviously Slavic and others are black. I have nothing against Slavs or Blacks, but clearly these aren't descendants of those who once inhabited the area. They are just foreigners who happen to be Jews. To claim that somebody deserves land in Palestine just because he happens to be a Jew is ridiculous. Given the history, it would be best if Jerusalem was shared with a special status.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:00 pm

Robin Hood wrote:The Bible is a collection of fairy tails of unknown origin ...

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby miltiades » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Just as all other religious books !!!
Handed down from generation to generation, still educated people believe these mythological absurdities !!
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