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[Piratis]

Were did you see the abuse? I simply asked cypezokyli if insisting on principles such as human rights and democracy is right or wrong.

Cyprus is one of the few countries that support human rights even if it doesn't suit us. Unlike some others that kiss the ass of the US, were kissing the ass of the Germans when they were the powerful and would definitely kiss the ass of China as well if they become the superpower.

[bg_turk]

Were did you see the abuse? I simply asked cypezokyli if insisting on principles such as human rights and democracy is right or wrong.

Cyprus is one of the few countries that support human rights even if it doesn't suit us. Unlike some others that kiss the ass of the US, were kissing the ass of the Germans when they were the powerful and would definitely kiss the ass of China as well if they become the superpower.

Do you mean Greece?

[cypezokyli]

Since when what is ethical matters to you?

I thought you said that insisting on human rights, democracy etc is useless. So should we insist on these principles or not?

thats why i am directing the question to those who do care.

and since you are of the ones that do...
what do you thing piratis?


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PS since you are around.. is it allowed to refer to other forrum members as "pezei moutsio" ?

[Agios Amvrosios]

CRI:

China and Greece expressed the hope on Thursday that the Cyprus problem will be solved in a fair, sustained and pragmatic way at an early date on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions.

Any measure taken by the UN Security Council and the international community should be beneficial to the settlement of the problem, the statement says.

The Joint statement on the establishment of the all-round strategic partnership between China and Greece was issued during Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis' three-day official visit to China at the invitation of his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao.

After his arrival in Beijing on Thursday morning, Karamanlis has held talks with Wen Jiabao. Chinese President Hu Jintao, top lawmaker Wu Bangguo and top political advisor Jia Qinglin are expected to meet with him.

[Piratis]

Do you mean Greece?

No, I talk about those that changed sides all the time depending on what suited them. Like Turkey that was with the Germans in the WWI, then was neutral in WWII then sided with the Americans. Now the want EU, but they will go with Russia or Arabs if it suits them better.

thats why i am directing the question to those who do care.

and since you are of the ones that do...
what do you thing piratis?

I think that we should insist on human rights and democracy until we are convinced that human rights and democracy for all can not exist. From what you say I guess you are convinced already. Maybe at some point I will be convinced too.

PS since you are around.. is it allowed to refer to other forrum members as "pezei moutsio" ?

I am not the moderator of this forum and I've been called way worst things and it didn't bother me. Now "pezei moutsio" is probably true for most people so I don't think thats too heavy

[bg_turk]

Do you mean Greece?

No, I talk about those that changed sides all the time depending on what suited them. Like Turkey that was with the Germans in the WWI, then was neutral in WWII then sided with the Americans. Now the want EU, but they will go with Russia or Arabs if it suits them better.

I would not have raised the issue if you did not use the word "kiss ass". What you are refering to is called strategic partnership.
But if you insist on this expression we could say that the RoC, a state unrecognized by Turkey, is kissing EU ass too.

[cypezokyli]

I am not the moderator of this forum and I've been called way worst things and it didn't bother me. Now "pezei moutsio" is probably true for most people so I don't think thats too heavy Wink

dont worry piratis, it takes a lot more for me to get insultet let aside bother me. to be honest i cant imagine an insult that would make me angry. anyway as you may have noticed i never reply back to insults

but to be honest, and since you participated in the thread i kind of expected some law and order
anyway, if its not in your responsibilities...forget it


my question was : if we are offered help from china, should we reject it on the grounds that they violate human rights ?
ensist on human rights kind of does not answer the question

[Piratis]

if we are offered help from china, should we reject it on the grounds that they violate human rights ?

No, why should we?

Would accepting help to end human rights violations in Cyprus mean that we accept the human rights violations elsewhere?

If they demand our support for their human rights violations then no we shouldn't do it in the same way we do not support the far more violations by the Americans the British the Jews etc.

[cypezokyli]

then, what is the change in the balance of power that we expect, if it is not china?

[Agios Amvrosios]

Sino-Cypriot cooperation in international fields is always focused on issues relating to sovereignty as opposed to individual Human Rights for which Cyprus focuses most cooperation with the COE and EU.

I would concede that China is reported to have serious human rights issues but as others have already pointed out no country is completely lily white when it comes to human rights, especially our colonialist/imperialist friends. Didn't the british hang cypriots without trial in the last years of colonial rule? Is Guantanamo and Abu Graib cool with human rights?

Cyprus enjoys support regarding issues of breaches of sovereignty from many other countries with sub standard human rights records.

Are you saying that we should tell these countries to rack off until they stop running over trouble makers with tanks?