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[Rude Gal]

The legalization of ethnic cleansing is as good as it gets? Even what we have now is better than the Annan partition plan.

If the situation we have now is 100 times bad, the Annan plan would make it 200 times

It is not "as good as it gets", it is "as bad as it will never get".

How can getting people together and living under one roof be worse than the current status quo? Is it cos your side will lose dominance? Or because the plan falls short of all the false promises made to GCs that all refugees will go home?

Recognition of North is your worst nightmare? It could happen with Papadopoulos. If he not even officially talking to Talat - the person he has to share power with - then there's no chance for reconcilliation or solution. Think about it!

PapaD think himself so clever. Going to stand up to the interests of 70 million Turks, the Brits, Americans, the EU and he gonna read the riot act cos he is a really really BIG MAN - NOT!

The world don't turn like that. We found out. 200,000 people can't dictate the fate of 70m Turks is what they said to us. Get with the programme or get dropped. And so it was, talat in, annan plan in, ...And so it will be for GCs.

As for legalisation of ethnic cleansing. I say to you sincerely that if the GCs are currently led by a man who was instrumental in the criminal Akritas Plan that was used to terrorise & ethnically cleanse TCs from their lands between 63-74, and is now legally recognised as the sole authority on the island - is that ok? To me, if he can be given a bona fide legal status, so can North Cyprus.

This is where we are at Piratis. You cannot talk about one wrong and not see its roots and the other's wrongs. One illegal act has bred another. Take power & land away from TCs and seek to eradicate their political equality/existence by force, and TCs just come right back at ya with an alternative vehicle in a similarly full-on way (just took 30 days not 11 years).

Under PapaD, the urge to keep poisoning GCs against Turks and demonsing the North has been unrelenting. If he continues like this and is re-elected in 2008, do not be surprised that you wake up one day and that TC hand of peace & reconcilliation will not be there. Time waits for no man!

PapaD is bad for Greek Cypriots and is bad for Cyprus. The sooner you realise that, the sooner your people can move to a better place....

[Agios Amvrosios]

False promises by the UN , ECHR and CoE of universal human rights mean more than a plan which was voted down and is only of historical value.

Turks refer to the "events of 63-74" when TMT was launching full scale attacks to divide Cyprus against Turkish and Greek Cypriots from as far back as the 1950's.

Always remember rude gal that the first inter-communal violence in the recent history of Cyprus was, in fact, caused by T.M.T. This was the result of a policy of hate cultivated by the Turkish Cypriot leadership and it aimed at persuading world public opinion that Turkish Cypriots could not co-exist with Greek Cypriots and, therefore, partition in one form or another was necessary. On 12 June 1958 eight innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. That was the first incident involving human lives. According to the findings of the "Commission of Inquiry into the Incidents at Geunyeli" (appointed by the British colonial administration), which were also included in the official report of Sir Paget Bourke, Chief Justice of Cyprus, "for some days prior to 12 June, in fact from 7 June, inter-communal feeling was running very high in the island and there had been many instances of attacks by Turks, particularly in Nicosia, upon members of the Greek community and upon Greek property". There is no reference to attacks on Turkish Cypriots as there were no such attacks. The T.M.T. terrorists attacked again in 1963. This is evidenced by the fact that they were found in possession of vast quantities of arms. Moreover, Turkish intentions were revealed in the "Deniz" incident when the Turkish ship full of arms was sent to Cyprus as early as 1959, after the conclusion of the Agreement on Cyprus.

No ethnic group has the right to commit ethnic cleansing against another.
Turkish Cypriots always seem to raise propaganda of the "events of 63 t o74" as something which entitles an 18% minority to breach the Geneva Convention and countless UN resolutions, ECHR judgments and simple human decency.

The most hilarious piece of propaganda I have seen turkish extremists raise is to say that Turks were ethnic cleansed- when al independant commentators note that the Turkish Cypriots withdrew into there own enclaves unilaterally instead of trying to cooperate and work through the constitutional problems of the lop sided constituiton- why ? the Turks always say "we cannot be a minority in our country". what the hell does that mean. If ethnic turks only make up less than 18 % then they are a minority that is reality. Its simple mathamatics its the way it works less than 50% equals minority. Democracy every where in the world is one man = one vote except in Cyprus.

[Piratis]

How can getting people together and living under one roof be worse than the current status quo?

Getting together?? Oh please.

This plan would create something like apartheid in Cyprus, were people would be separate based on their race and some people would have more rights and more voting power than others simply because of the race they belong. It would legalize partition and would make the north part of my own country more foreign to me than Latvia! It would legalize the violations of our human and democratic rights and would give you the 99% of all the outrageous things you have ever asked.

Recognition of North is your worst nightmare? It could happen with Papadopoulos

keep dreaming.

. Going to stand up to the interests of 70 million Turks, the Brits, Americans, the EU and he gonna read the riot act cos he is a really really BIG MAN - NOT!

We choose to fight for our rights. We will not surrender because the other are more powerful. There is no peace until you allow to us to have all of our rights.

As for legalisation of ethnic cleansing. I say to you sincerely that if the GCs are currently led by a man who was instrumental in the criminal Akritas Plan that was used to terrorise & ethnically cleanse TCs from their lands between 63-74, and is now legally recognised as the sole authority on the island - is that ok? To me, if he can be given a bona fide legal status, so can North Cyprus.

Yes, you can lie and believe what you want. The occupation of Cyprus is illegal, this is the fact.

This is where we are at Piratis. You cannot talk about one wrong and not see its roots and the other's wrongs. One illegal act has bred another. Take power & land away from TCs and seek to eradicate their political equality/existence by force, and TCs just come right back at ya with an alternative vehicle in a similarly full-on way (just took 30 days not 11 years).

Yes, one thing leads to another. The first thing of course was the Ottoman rule of Cyprus that the Ottomans oppressed the Greek Cypriots for centuries.
You want to have the first word and the last one? You want, but we will never agree. So you force on us something unfair and be sure we will come back at you again. If you thought that we are slaves you are wrong. We will fight for our rights.

PapaD is bad for Greek Cypriots and is bad for Cyprus.

Your opinion. I am voting for him in next elections. when the ones that want to take away our human and democratic rights do not like him is a clear indication that he is doing his job right.

And by the way, The world is not just turkey, US, and UK. In fact Europeans dislike Turks in their majority. So don't be so sure that the balance of power will always favor you. If you are trying to force on us something unfair and illegal now, then don't complain about our reaction to this later on.

[lysi]

President papadopoulas is all talk and no action, he is a relic of the past and will never be able to find a settlement.
In public he slags of the british government on there attitude to the occupation, but in private he ass kisses the brit government because his mind still belongs to the time when britain ruled cyprus, maybe they still do pull the strings.
We neen a younger and stronger person to be president and to stand up to britain, america and turkey, and also be able to reach a settlement soon.

[Sotos]

Lysi, Papadopoulos is as hard as it gets. He does whatever he can. Don't forget the size of the countries you are talking about. Papadopoulos has the power of Cyprus behind him which is not much! The others have huge countries behind them with huge armies, nuclear weapons...

[lysi]

sotos, israel knows how to stand up for itself and its a small country, why cant the g/cypriots and there useless government stand up to britain, usa, turkey and the occupation ?
Papadoupoulas is useless, he has not got anything of the turks and he dont give a toss about the thousands of refugees waiting to return home.
All he does is talk tough in public but in private he is a pussy cat. All mouth and no action.

[pumpernickle]

and how would you do things differently if you were the Pres. dearest Lysi?

or would you be in politics in the first place, what with that requiring people skills and shrewdness.

Get orf the soap box. Oh yee of little knowledge.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I think he is doing a hard job at a very difficult time. I would have to agree with pump...I want to know what exactly President Lysi would do differently.

[cypezokyli]

in yesterday phileleftheros (politiki kyriaki) , both genaris and lykavgis after accusing turkey and all the rest, also support that we are on the defensivesome action needs to be taken...

[lysi]

Thats right pimpernipple you attack me for my honest views on your useless president, he is wonderful and perfect yes ? you mug.