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[insan]

The President is a democratic person why don’t you believe him?
2004-10-20 | Politis | ΜΑΚΑΡΙΟΥ ΔΡΟΥΣΙΩΤΗ
The Government Spokesman Kypros Chrysostomides called an extraordinary press conference last Saturday, to state that “it is indeed frustrating that some people took over the systematic undermining of Cyprus.” Mr. Chrysostomides reiterated the commonplace argument, that anyone criticizing the current administration is an enemy of Cyprus. I can’t help wondering: when we talk about Cyprus, do we merely refer to Mr. Papadopoulos and his friends?

Mr. Chrysostomides put forward arguments to support the view that Mr. Papadopoulos is a democratic person. This fact alone proves that he has a problem. Has anyone ever pictured Mr. Stephanopoulos, the Greek President, enumerating his political stance and behavior, to prove that he is a democratic person? It goes without saying that a President of a democratic state is democratic. And if he were to feel the need to provide arguments, this means that the surrounding atmosphere is adversely affecting his democratic ideals.

Still, as Mrs. Androula Giourov would report in Haravgi, the surrounding atmosphere has been contaminated by Politis’ “pathetic libelers”, who stain the reputation of this democratic person, regardless of whether he was involved in a ten-year project, funded by the US, and aimed at destroying AKEL!

But let’s go back to the democratic alibi of the President, as the Government Spokesman called them, to see how unshakable it is:

Chrysostomides: “They seem to forget the history of the President of the Republic, his struggles against EOKA B and dictatorship.”

*When did he ever fight these struggles and how could they have passed totally unobserved? The fact that he drew funds from the Junta for anti-communist activity, was it part of this struggle?

Chrysostomides: [They seem to forget] “his impeccable democratic behavior throughout his political career.”

*Oops! That’s an overstatement! Were the Giorkatzis affair, the events of 1963, the US dollars he received to undermine AKEL and so many pitiful phenomena of the 60s, an indication of impeccable democratic behavior?

Chrysostomides: They forget “the democratic support he offered to all the previous Presidents of the Republic.”

*The front-page reports in Kirikas newspaper about psychodrugs and the late Spyros Kyprianou, were they an expression of this support? What about the threat against Vasiliou, again through Kirikas, that he would even join the guerilla forces in case the latter approved the Cuellar “opening statement”, was this some kind of democratic support too?

To sum it up, there can be no understanding and every effort to persuade the current administration is futile, since they belong to a world entirely different from that of the rest of Europe. They consider democratic even reactionary activities that have happened in this country. The only way out is social awareness, with a view to put aside the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ to the Annan plan and to focus on more important issues, such as the profundity and not the superficiality of our democratic institutions.



http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/28648?

[brother]

hi insan,

but where you going with this?

[insan]

Hi brother


I just wanted to share this article with you. It's written by one of the most reliable historians of Cyprus; Makarios Drusatis. How does a Cypriot(Turk or Greek) feel ownself when read this article?


Like Demirel said? "Yesterday is yesterday, and today is today."


And another remarkable point to think about is that how can a party like Akel standing by T-Pap's side? Because of all other GC parties are Anglo-American clients? It is clear that Akel doesn't trust and like allies of US; especially Turkey because she is number one ally of US. Even they were against Cyprus EU accession.


Drusatis said that once T-Pap was also a client of Americans. Has he changed?


To sum it up all; a blind fight is still going on in Cyprus. Politicians keep making the same mistakes and majority of Cypriots keep believing them... Different political and self-interest groups have different ideologies, demands and claims. The balance of their powers lead us nowhere; just stuck us on the same point where it was for decades.


0 + 0 = 0


You can't change the world but you may change points of views

When you change points of views, you may change the things

And when you change the things, you can change the world.



Regards

[brother]

thanks insan,

you seem to have a wealth of knowledge and i have seen your name in other forums like 'voice' , keep it up.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos is not perfect, nobody is. Unfortunately many journalists get paid to put mad on him. Politis newspaper in particular is now funded by the Americans directly.

When you have the traitors on one side, and somebody less than perfect on the other side, then you have no choice and you can only choose the "less than perfect" one. This is what AKEL did and this is what the majority of Cypriots did. If presidential elections were held now Papadopoulos would have won with a much bigger difference.

But are the Americans stupid? Don't they know that the majority of Cypriots are smart enough to understand what the US/UK are doing? They do. Their aim is not to replace Papadopoulos (by convincing 50%+ of GCs). They know they can't do that. Their aim is to hurt Cyprus so it will be easier for them to apply their plans. Divide and rule has been their specialty for centuries.

[Bananiot]

Again and again Piratis is resorting to slander and mud throwing when he runs out of arguments. Since he insists that some people are getting paid then the only person I know in Cyprus that got paid, and this is documented, is Papadopoulos, in the 60's, to undermine AKEL. I understand he does not like Makarios Droushiotis, because he makes mincemeat of hid favourite son. The most amazing thing however is Christofias, the AKEL chief. He should be a special study case. He took the most forward party in Cyprus regarding rapproachment and handed it over to the the most nationalist cypriot who could not view even an image of a turkish cypriot. Ziartides, the prominent PEO chief and father of the trade union movement in Cyprus, refers to Papadopoulos as a turk-eater. The book was written about 10 years ago and Ziartides died about 5 years ago.

Insan, we need a movement to expose all these. A cypriot movement, where all true cypriots can have a voice that will be heard loud and clear. It gives me shivers down my spine when I read that Papadopoulos is working for the interests of the TC's too.

[Piratis]

Again and again Piratis is resorting to slander and mud throwing when he runs out of arguments.

Bananiot, you never had any arguments. If we take your posts one by one they are nothing more than accusations and mud on Papadopoulos. This seems to be the full time job of some people, and obviously it is quite profitable for them.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

Lets just for one minute say that Papadopoulos was not the President. That someone else was. If the GC's voted no under those different circumstances what would your arguments be then?

Whether it is Papadopoulos running the country or somebody else instead, the Annan plan would be the same. What are your arguments for this plan?

It seems to me that blindingly accepting this plan just on the offchance it may work for us is a little naive.

There are provisions in this plan which to me are plain wrong. For example, our courts will be presided over by foreigners, part of our land will become a part of the UK, Turkey gets more rights in Cyprus.

I really do not think it would have made much difference as to who was president at the time. The voting in of Papadopoulos was simply an inevitable result of the disillusion felt by many GC's. And that was happening long before the elections.

I have spoken to many people on this. Those in favour of the plan were simply living in hope that it would be better for us. They were banking on hope! Now what basis is that to stake your future on?

The Turks are in denial. Annan said that if the plan was not accepted then it would null and void, Edogan is now going round Europe saying that the presence of the Turkish Army in Cyprus is legalised by the Annan plan! If this isn't a man in denial I don't know what is.

[Bananiot]

Papadopoulos is a known entity. We all know very well who he is. He will not support any plan that will turn Cyprus into a bizonal, bicommunal federation. He did not even negotiate the A plan so that he could easily sell the "no" vote to the unsuspecting. He used the government machine to misinform the people on the plan. I supported the plan on merit. Not because of the alternative which is horrid to even think of it. Under the circumstances it was a good plan and it ended the occupation. Eventually only 350 turkish soldiers and 950 greek soldiers would stay and major areas would have been returned, including Famagusta and the Morhou area. Now we are left with a partitioned island and we might as well forget northern Cyprus. I would support an alternative plan if ever there was one, or even an idea, that could work. Papadopoulos has rejected ALL plans for the solution of our problem. He scares me and the ultra nationalist paroxysm that has been insticated by his people will only mean more misery for us. I call upon history to verify my fears.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos is a known entity. We all know very well who he is.

Exactly. And we voted for him to be the president.

The Annan plan is known as well, and we voted NO for it.

Would you suggest a system other than democracy Bananiot?

He used the government machine to misinform the people on the plan.

He did not. Plain and simple.
The misinformation came from those that got paid by the US to promote the US interests in Cyprus.