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failed Turkish accession-whats the worst that could happen?

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

what is the worse that could happen

Poll ended at Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:39 am

unending defacto status quo?
3
38%
Turkish Civil War?
3
38%
Kurdish independance day in 2010?
2
25%
 
Total votes : 8

Postby Sotos » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:21 am

I hope for (c) Good solution and Turkey in EU. :P But I don't know if this option is available :(
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:44 am

:lol:
you cannot even answer your own question!

but it is true, now that C is also available i would also go for that as well.... but put my vote in the optimism C-voters :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:05 am

What about another option d) A great solution with or without Turkey in the EU???
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:18 am

i would still go for C komschu. not only bc solution and EU accesion go hand in hand.
but a turkey in the EU , would be imo a far better neighbour than a turkey not in the EU. i cannot predict the outcome for turkey itself. some people argue , that this will not only affect the position on the cyppro, but also turkey domestically. and seeing it completely selfish if you want , i prefer a stable neighbour :wink:

both should go hand in hand imo.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:32 am

cypezokyli wrote:i would still go for C komschu. not only bc solution and EU accesion go hand in hand.
but a turkey in the EU , would be imo a far better neighbour than a turkey not in the EU. i cannot predict the outcome for turkey itself. some people argue , that this will not only affect the position on the cyppro, but also turkey domestically. and seeing it completely selfish if you want , i prefer a stable neighbour :wink:

both should go hand in hand imo.


My only worry is that too much emphasis is put on Turkey's accession talks and the Cypro solution. I am not convinced that the well known pressures on Turkey via EU are having a positive effect re Cyprus.
I know the Turkish mentality/thinking very well.If you think Cypriots are stubborn you don't know the Turks.They also put great emphasis on "not losing face".They don't hesitate to cut their nose to spite their face.
My fear is there might be a lot of Cypriot noses out of place as well by the end of Turkey's EU adventure.Hard to tell,really....This is one case where we will definitely have to wait and see. :?
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:12 am

I think Sotos Question is very good. I think its rhetorical.

Accepting whatever warcrime they put in front of us just to let Turkey into the EU is pointless. My view is that perhaps the status quo is better than an immoral solution which will be resented by the vast majority of Cypriots. At the end of the day the refugees cannot really accept anything less than the obvious. If monetary compo was given earlier and it was super generous then Tirkey would have been able to wash the blood off its hands. Now many refugees are well off and can afford not to sell there ethnic identity, heritage and dignity.If there is NO Compensation because there is an endless Status Quo- I don't think it will be a loss for refugees.

If you don't have much to loose or really nothing to loose you can afford to be idealistic and buy when the market suits you choosing a moral solution which results in restitution and the restoration of human rights of the refugees.

Some Non refugee Greek Cypriots prefer the status quo. They resent hand outs,pensions, health care and services given to Turkish Cypriots. The far right I think is very much against the mixing of Greek and Turkish Cypriots mirroring the view of Turkish extremists-( and british pensioners who couldn't afford to buy homes in a country that isn't a pariah state.)
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:25 am

My fear is there might be a lot of Cypriot noses out of place as well by the end of Turkey's EU adventure.


Papadopoulos seriously needs some emergency Rhinoplasty
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:41 pm

Agios Amvrosios wrote:
My fear is there might be a lot of Cypriot noses out of place as well by the end of Turkey's EU adventure.


Papadopoulos seriously needs some emergency Rhinoplasty


:lol: :lol:
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Postby Tony-4497 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:39 pm

if turkeys accession talks fail, the worsed case scenario is the most likely case scenario , and that is : forget any solution to the cyppro.
thats my opinion


this would be a bad outcome

however, an infinitely worse outcome would be for us to accept an Annan-plan type solution and for Turkey's accession talks to subsequently fail

this would be a true disaster, as we would have given up everything, including our internationally recognised, EU-member sovereign state, and would receive sweet fa in return..

if anyone thinks that Turkey would honour its "word" to wihtdraw troops, return land etc some time in the future, particularly after being rejected by the EU, they are dreaming..

Turkey's plan is to keep Cyprus as a hostage, tightly held by the throat, at least until its eventual EU accession..

Cyprus's only defence is its sovereign status and EU membership - those who wanted GC to dissolve the RoC are those who wanted us to give up this last line of defence..
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:44 pm

imo if you believe that the other party will not keep its part of the agreement , why bother negotiate ?

what kind of a solution will make turkey keeps its "word" ?
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