Cyprus: the way forward - by Tassos Papadopoulos
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| WE WANT ACTION NOT PRETTY WORDS THAT ONLY SERVE TO TRICK PEOPLE LIKE PIRATIS INTO THINKING YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING NEW OR IMPORTANT. |
Yes, there is nothing new. What we ask for will always be the same: democracy and human rights. What else do you want to hear?
If you want actions then those should be expected from the ones that have the power to take actions. What actions do you expect from Papadopoulos?
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| Only Denktash and his supporters talk about two seperate peoples and two seperate states. |
You are wrong. Do you want me to post a bunch of quotes from Talat and Erdogan that say the exact same thing?
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| Federation is mainly a consequence of Enosists terrorist actions. |
So it is punishment? You want to punish us for the actions of the Enosists?
So what should be your punishment for the Ottoman rule, the Turkish invasion and the 30 years of occupation?
If you continue with this revengeful attitude, you will gain now, you will loose later, and this circle will never end. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:12 pm |
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| We want tassos to resign and a decent president who wants unity and peace in the top post, is that to much to ask for a genuine person and not a fake like tassos who only makes pretty speeches and takes no action. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:34 pm |
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| if you are a Cyprus citizen then you were free to come here and cast your vote. We all cast votes. If you want to decide by yourself who the president is going to be, then yes, thats too much to ask for in a democratic country. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:47 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
So it is punishment? You want to punish us for the actions of the Enosists?
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It's not a punishment. It's a consequence of a series of wrong actions. I'm not blaming you or the GC community in general but you know that a bad apple ruins the whole basket. Same thing applies to the TCs as well. There are many TCs, like myself, who had nothing to do with the invasion, who didn't get GC property, who had no choice about living in the north but I do get punished every day by not being able to participate in any international event.
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if you are a Cyprus citizen then you were free to come here and cast your vote. We all cast votes. If you want to decide by yourself who the president is going to be, then yes, thats too much to ask for in a democratic country.
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I thought TCs could not vote for the President according to 1960 agreements. They can only vote for the vice-president. Am I wrong? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:03 pm |
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| he speaks without thinking again, so it is too much to ask for a decent president. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:03 pm |
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 tassos is not good for cyprus |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:13 pm |
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| It's not a punishment. It's a consequence of a series of wrong actions. I'm not blaming you or the GC community in general but you know that a bad apple ruins the whole basket. Same thing applies to the TCs as well. There are many TCs, like myself, who had nothing to do with the invasion, who didn't get GC property, who had no choice about living in the north but I do get punished every day by not being able to participate in any international event. |
The way you feel today (punished), is the same way that our 200.000 refugees feel (not to say the majority of Cypriots). So why should some of us continue to be punished forever?
Why not just end the punishment for everybody?
This "consequence" as you call it is not something that we can't avoid if we want to. The problem is when a group of people wants to punish another one and to gain on others loss.
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| I thought TCs could not vote for the President according to 1960 agreements. They can only vote for the vice-president. Am I wrong? |
You are right. But maybe because now there is no vice-president elections, TCs can vote for president. I am not sure.
This separate elections thing is just one of the many wrongs of the 1960 agreements. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:30 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
This "consequence" as you call it is not something that we can't avoid if we want to. The problem is when a group of people wants to punish another one and to gain on others loss.
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I don't want to drag this on. Nobody wants to punish anyone. We have all been punished by not enjoying peace in Cyprus for a long time. It's time to agree on a plan that takes both sides fears/desires into account so nobody feels punished. We don't need winners and losers.
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You are right. But maybe because now there is no vice-president elections, TCs can vote for president. I am not sure.
This separate elections thing is just one of the many wrongs of the 1960 agreements.
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Seperate elections were just a way of making sure that TCs would be participating in the government. You call this wrong, meaning you don't accept any safeguards for TCs but whether you like it or not, TCs will have safeguards against the majority, just like Cyprus has safeguards against big European countries in the EU, or just like smaller states have more electrol votes than they deserve in the US presidential elections to safeguard them against the big states. These safeguards are part of democracy, it's a way to make sure that minorities are being listened. I know you don't like these safeguards for obvious reasons. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:28 pm |
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| I know you don't like these safeguards for obvious reasons. |
I have no problem with safeguards as they are applied in other democratic countries. But this doesn't mean to give to a group of 18% the 50% of the power. This is not what happens in other democratic countries. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:16 pm |
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| Metecyp wrote: |
| I thought TCs could not vote for the President according to 1960 agreements. They can only vote for the vice-president. Am I wrong? |
Ibrahim Aziz a TC living in the free areas went to the EU court suing the RoC for not allowing him to vote. He won the case and the RoC paid all the expenses of the trial. According to the Court there was no monetary compensation, other than paying all the expenses for the trial and all the expenses of Ibrahim. |
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