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[brother]

I ask this question as recently i have spoken to many gc and also corresponded with many in chatrooms and other forums like this one, and for the best part of it they all say the same things, "in december when the E.U meets up we will veto turkey, its sweet justice 30 years in the coming"

Now the many times i have heard this i was very dissapointed but also bemused at the spiteful attitude of these many gc as this is the time of unity not revenge but they are hell bent on this fixation of getting one over on turkey.

Even though i tried to explain to them that this would do a lot of damage in the long run they still refuse to listen.


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How i see this as damaging is that turkey being veto will mean there will be no good reason for it to want unification of the cypriots and it would not want to lose its strategic position it has in cyprus, then i would imagine in the months to follow many muslim states would recognise the TRNC hence ending its isolation and because the ROC veto the E.U this time would not be able to stop it like it has in the past, also the ROC will live with the threat of 40000 turkish troops always standing in its face, also for those that felt 30 years a long time to look at the north from afar will now probably spend another 300 years looking at the north from afar, beyond that as many tc are E.U citizens the law suits to follow for compensation for lands will be crippling for the ROC and turkey not being an E.U member will be hit or miss if it would ever make any compensation payments to ROC citizens as it does not recognise the goverment.

Beyond these issues it will be a sad day if these vengful actions are taken and very short sited indeed, as also the outstanding issue of peace on the island will never happen and it will go down in history as the GC were the people who created the clash of the civilisations as even the most stupid person knows that an E.U member turkey would most definately stop that from happening.

[-mikkie2-]

I very much doubt that anybody can do much to stop Cyprus vetoing Turkey.

What is actually more crucial is how determined is Turkey to enter the EU.

If she is, then she must do certain things regarding Cyprus.

I think the government will most probably not exercise a veto at this stage but will keep its intetions to itself until the last minute. The reason being to keep Turkey on her toes and to force certain issues, such as recognition and customs union with the RoC.

Cyprus will have 31 other opportunities to veto Turkey because each and every chapter that is to be negotiated as part of the accession process requires unanimous vote from the member states in order to proceed to the next chapter.

What is more important is that each member state will have their own negotiating teams, which means that Turkey is faced with the prospect of negotiating with a country it does not recognise!

For Cyprus to be able to negotiate she will need to have diplomatic presence in Turkey in order to monitor and observe the progress of Turkey.

So as you can see, even if Cyprus does not exercise the veto in December, Turkey is still faced with a massive problem.

The only way out is full recognition of RoC! Or is it perhaps a solution to the problem BEFORE Turkey starts negotiations next year.

Looking at it this way, Turkey would have an easier time if we exercised a veto now! Not exercising the veto would then put the pressure fully on to Turkey and at this point, that is when the prospects of a solution will massively increase.

[-mikkie2-]

I very much doubt that anybody can do much to stop Cyprus vetoing Turkey.

What is actually more crucial is how determined is Turkey to enter the EU.

If she is, then she must do certain things regarding Cyprus.

I think the government will most probably not exercise a veto at this stage but will keep its intetions to itself until the last minute. The reason being to keep Turkey on her toes and to force certain issues, such as recognition and customs union with the RoC.

Cyprus will have 31 other opportunities to veto Turkey because each and every chapter that is to be negotiated as part of the accession process requires unanimous vote from the member states in order to proceed to the next chapter.

What is more important is that each member state will have their own negotiating teams, which means that Turkey is faced with the prospect of negotiating with a country it does not recognise!

For Cyprus to be able to negotiate she will need to have diplomatic presence in Turkey in order to monitor and observe the progress of Turkey.

So as you can see, even if Cyprus does not exercise the veto in December, Turkey is still faced with a massive problem.

The only way out is full recognition of RoC! Or is it perhaps a solution to the problem BEFORE Turkey starts negotiations next year.

Looking at it this way, Turkey would have an easier time if we exercised a veto now! Not exercising the veto would then put the pressure fully on to Turkey and at this point, that is when the prospects of a solution will massively increase.

[brother]

What must be done must be done and if that means veto then so be it, i just tried to show and explain the negatives of that happening anytime in the 31 given opportune times.

And also the vengful hate that i am seeing in some gc makes me wonder if there mentality will ever change and is it consistant in majority of gc.

[insan]

If she is, then she must do certain things regarding Cyprus.

Can you tell us what are those certain things, mikkie? Then I can tell you whether Turkey will ever do such things or not... if GC side don't accept the political equality of TC community, restrictions on buying property and right to settlement, guarantorship of Turkey; forget about other certain things to be done by Turkey. Turkey doesn't yearning to join EU.


In my opinion Erdogan's government using the EU accession process as an excuse for "democratization" of Turkey; as a well known fact... Turks know what "democratization" means for AKP. More freedom for religious people of course...


On the other hand it is EU and whole western block who don't wanna lose Turkey because of the well known, certain reasons and tolerate every single mistakes of Turkey.


Sooner or later GC side will accept the political equality of two communities, restricted rights to settlement and buy property, Turkey's guarantorship.


So you better fight for political rights of GC refugees who will live under TC administration, repatriation of at least %50 of the settlers, reducing the TC participation to %20 at executive body, making an unexploitable constitution for federal state of RoC....



Otherwise forget about all your RoCy dreams you see in the day light...

[Piratis]

I don't think that Cyprus alone can stop Turkey. But I hope we will do our part so Turkey is stopped, and there are many others that are willing to help for this.

It seems that they are going to punish as anyways. So if we are going to be punished, then why be punished alone?

Until December they have the time to tell us what we will gain from saying "yes". Otherwise, if we will loose anyways, then Turkey should loose something also (EU).

[tcypriot]

"I very much doubt that anybody can do much to stop Cyprus vetoing Turkey. "

Had it really been a matter concerning "Cyprus" which is the homeland of two equal nations or the real "Cyprus Republic" which lasted until 1963, it's sure that Cyprus would never veto Turkey.

The fact that- by use of force the title of Cyprus Republic was occupied and the cyprus republic was turned into a hellenic illegal regime does not mean that Cyprus will veto Turkey.

Do not be mistaken.Cyprus is a two nationed island Thus Cyprus Republic was a bicommunal republic before being destroyed&occupied by greeks in 1963.It wont be cyprus or cyprus republic that vetos Turkey, it will be "South Cyprus" or the Illegal Papadopulos Republic that vetos turkey.

Had it truly been Cyprus that was to decide whether to veto Turkey, than it is very certain that despite of their hellenic counter parts turkish cypriots would never veto turkey under no circumstance.So this fact that one of the two equal nations will never veto Turkey means that it's not really cyprus that'll veto turkey but the illegal hellenic regime of south cyprus.

Cyprus Republic, as a matter of existence needs the consent and representation of both of the equal nations on the island of Cyprus. Due to the fact that we were forcefully kicked out of the Cyprus Republic, The Republic of Cyprus no longer exists(since 1963).

You must understand that Cyprus is our homeland and even if the whole world recognises you, we wont surrender until you accept the fact that without us the turkish cypriots no organization can represent the island as a whole.We stood strong against your inhuman embargoes for 41 years 1963 to 2004 we can stand against them longer.

You cannot by use of force make us accept anything. We will never ever accept to call a hellenic republic as the "Cyprus Republic"

[Piratis]

oh, I see. You have 40,000 troops that forced 200.000 refugees out of their homes. You are 18% and your troops occupy the 37% of Cyprus, and you come in here to accuse us on top of that??? As we say: "The one who is not ashamed owns the world"

In France they said that a referendum will be held to see if they will agree to accept Turkey or not. This means that if 50%+1 vote says no to Turkey is enough for France to say no.

But in the case of Cyprus, we have an 18%, that wants to decide like they are the 50%!! Well dear friend, you are not 50%, you are 18%.

The Cyprus Republic exists, wait for a while and you will see Turkey officially recognizing it. I wonder what you will say then.

[MicAtCyp]

Illegal Papadopulos Republic that vetos turkey.

Lets suppose the RoC is illegal. What in your opinion should be done to make it legal?

[brother]

Here we go again, round and round , you are wrong we are wrong Blah...Blah....Blah....Blah.....

People lets not get into that one again it is not productive.