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Postby Sotos » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:37 pm

For Turks the violation of the rights of Kurds are good news! :roll: They should have made Kurdish a language of education without the force of anybody! akinen, have you thought that Kurds would not need PKK if you treated them in a humane way?
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Postby akiner » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:53 am

Sotos wrote:For Turks the violation of the rights of Kurds are good news! :roll: They should have made Kurdish a language of education without the force of anybody! akinen, have you thought that Kurds would not need PKK if you treated them in a humane way?

so gotos, what do you think pkk fighting for?!
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Postby gR_LIBERAL » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:39 am

Let me put you some questions:

1) why kurds and PKK are terrorists? They are fighting for their independence and it seems that PKK is not the case of 3-4 members but of several thousends. What the hell makes them terrorists? It is an indipendence party. I read about 'illegal demostrations of kurds'. In which other country there are 'illegal demostrations'? Only on primitive muslim countries you meet illegal demostrators can calling terrorists anyone who we do not like.

2) Why to have muslims in Europe? We are already have enough problems with muslims, since they cant adjust to our values it is time to leave the boat. Soon you ll ask us to use Sharia law and not drinking beer during the bloody ramadan fiest. I am proud for been a european citizen and for our values and i dont think that you will even become a european. We are two different worlds and we gotta stay like that.

3) What about human rights of homosexuals in Turkey? Time to add them on turkish' black list
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Postby akiner » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:56 pm

gR_LIBERAL wrote:Let me put you some questions:

1) why kurds and PKK are terrorists? They are fighting for their independence and it seems that PKK is not the case of 3-4 members but of several thousends. What the hell makes them terrorists? It is an indipendence party. I read about 'illegal demostrations of kurds'. In which other country there are 'illegal demostrations'? Only on primitive muslim countries you meet illegal demostrators can calling terrorists anyone who we do not like.

2) Why to have muslims in Europe? We are already have enough problems with muslims, since they cant adjust to our values it is time to leave the boat. Soon you ll ask us to use Sharia law and not drinking beer during the bloody ramadan fiest. I am proud for been a european citizen and for our values and i dont think that you will even become a european. We are two different worlds and we gotta stay like that.

3) What about human rights of homosexuals in Turkey? Time to add them on turkish' black list


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1) Hope, you wont forget these words once Turkish/Muslim minority(where as Kurds are not one of minorities of Turkey according to Laussanne treaty) of greece take arm and kill!! for their indepandance, Pkk is terrorist organization whatever their aim i dont give a sh!t they kill civilians to get it....

2) Thanx alot to mention about hypocritical racist opinions you own

3) homosexuals/ lesbians have rights to f*ck/l*ck eachother in here, sorry our country cant give test tube baby service to them because of lack on technology but i am sure Eu. is working on it for her gays and lebs
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Postby gR_LIBERAL » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:51 pm

yeah Islam does not permit homosexuality.. this aint racist or not?

Frankly speaking, i cant understand the contribution of this minority in greece despite having 10 children per family, forcing their girls to get marry from the age of 15 and been umemployed coz they do not want to study. The Islamic cult is about fear, terrorism and oppression

have a look to www.faithfreedom.org to learn some stuff regarding the nazi cult of Islam
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:07 am

gR_LIBERAL wrote:Let me put you some questions:

1) why kurds and PKK are terrorists? They are fighting for their independence and it seems that PKK is not the case of 3-4 members but of several thousends. What the hell makes them terrorists? It is an indipendence party. I read about 'illegal demostrations of kurds'. In which other country there are 'illegal demostrations'? Only on primitive muslim countries you meet illegal demostrators can calling terrorists anyone who we do not like.

2) Why to have muslims in Europe? We are already have enough problems with muslims, since they cant adjust to our values it is time to leave the boat. Soon you ll ask us to use Sharia law and not drinking beer during the bloody ramadan fiest. I am proud for been a european citizen and for our values and i dont think that you will even become a european. We are two different worlds and we gotta stay like that.

3) What about human rights of homosexuals in Turkey? Time to add them on turkish' black list


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i think we should start redefining the word - "liberal". especially if i consider the greek word for it and then read your point 2 - i am feeling an awkward paradox. :roll: :roll:

1. the kurds or any people cannot be/called terrorists.
as for the PKK , i am not sure if it actually receives support from the majority of the kurds. thats debatable... but ofcource this support rises with events such as the ones happening lately.
what do you mean for their independance ? first i have never heard any of us , gc or greeks calling for independance of iraqi kurds , where they obviously suffered more.
second if all different "people" or "nations" or whatever should receive independance , than why dont we accept the right of tcs to independance ? :wink: imo , we are as hypocrites as the turks when it comes to consistent ideas.

2. whats with this muslimfovia lately ? a couple of days ago i actually met a guy from iran who spoke about the current situation , and it was difficult to find the differences.
what happenned to your sypathy to the muslim - kurds ?
well they are needed in europe bc they are helping the aging european population. but they adapt....sooner or later.

your question of why having muslims in europe , questions the ideals on which the EU or the post war europe was based upon. if they are kicked out , then whatever is advertised as "western civilazation" will seace to exist. if tolerance, freedom of speech religion etc are removed from europe, then, there is no europe left.
europe didnot progress bc it is a christian region. it did bc science was favored to religion.

3. thank god you didnt say : why have gays in the EU ? :lol:

i dont have a clue what rights homos have in turkey , but i could imagine they dont have any. in that sence thank god greece and cyprus are EU members bc it was the EU that FORCED us to change our laws.
but...besides the laws there is also the social acceptance. meet with some real cypriot machos and for sure they ll have a story to say for beating up a gay....any being proud of it :roll:
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Postby bg_turk » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:49 am

I am starting to get a de javu. grliberal, do you by any chance happen to know a guy called Chomsky_fan?
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:52 am

no... he is not chomsky fan.
he is a "liberal"
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Postby gR_LIBERAL » Mon May 01, 2006 12:13 pm

yeah sure, liberal is about loving liberties from which ever political side you are coming from,. it is about freedom whether you are chomsky's fan or maggy's fan.

concerning the http://www.enet.gr/online/online_fpage_ ... 2,84918604 article that u post in a previous articles, IOS is doing a great job, especially against the orthodox mullahs and right wingers but i still believe that we can not tolerate in EU any Muslim cult or dogma. I cant live with a dogma that promotes gender inequality, believes to the primitive sharia law and in general is an assault against our civilization and against european's value. We had enough with this enlargment thing. Europe has to put some limits. otherwise why not to call iran and azerbajan in EU?
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon May 01, 2006 12:46 pm

i have the feeling that you are too much affected by the media.
there is moderate islam outthere , but the christian fanatics in the white house dont help at all for it to gain power.
if we stay concetrated on turkey the whole anti-muslim thing does not really apply bc the turks have been trying hard to be a secular state. dont forget they were one of the first countries that gave women the right to vote - even before greece :wink:
sharia law doesnot apply in turkey.
as for westernazation you should get to know the principles of the father of the turks. honestly , what you mentioned above has nothing ot do with turkey.

turkey has all kinds of other criteria to achieve concerning human rights , but do not mix the turks with some arab states.
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