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Greece vs. Australia (ban on Cypriot fans)

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Postby wogboy » Wed May 17, 2006 1:54 pm

If a Greek Cypriot family wishes to take the flag of Cyprus to this match (as many probably want to, and have done so many times in the past), don't you think they should be the ones making the decision?

Similarly, for those who don't understand, then don't bring one. Carry a Greek flag.

What really upset me about this whole issue is the fact that people/families still dont know. This rule never appeared on the ticket conditions, and mainstream media are careful not to raise this issue (ie, all medias have links to game sponsors, or sponsorships directly with the FFA). In effect, information is being passed through word of mouth.

Now, given what I know about Greek-Cypriot relations, I can guarantee that many Cypriots will take the falg of Cyprus to the game. The only problem is that this flag will be ripped away from them at the gate. Explain that to them.

The point is, let the people themselves decide (not those who barely know, or care to understand us).

On a side note, I watched the FA cup last night. International teams wernt even playing and I saw too many national flags in the crowd (to cheer the nationality of the individual players). It happens all the time, and I expect it to continue in the world cup.

If people read between the lines, Im sure they can reason why this ban was put in place.
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Postby Alexander » Wed May 17, 2006 5:33 pm

wogboy wrote:If a Greek Cypriot family wishes to take the flag of Cyprus to this match (as many probably want to, and have done so many times in the past), don't you think they should be the ones making the decision?

Similarly, for those who don't understand, then don't bring one. Carry a Greek flag.

What really upset me about this whole issue is the fact that people/families still dont know. This rule never appeared on the ticket conditions, and mainstream media are careful not to raise this issue (ie, all medias have links to game sponsors, or sponsorships directly with the FFA). In effect, information is being passed through word of mouth.

Now, given what I know about Greek-Cypriot relations, I can guarantee that many Cypriots will take the falg of Cyprus to the game. The only problem is that this flag will be ripped away from them at the gate. Explain that to them.

The point is, let the people themselves decide (not those who barely know, or care to understand us).

On a side note, I watched the FA cup last night. International teams wernt even playing and I saw too many national flags in the crowd (to cheer the nationality of the individual players). It happens all the time, and I expect it to continue in the world cup.

If people read between the lines, Im sure they can reason why this ban was put in place.




I am sure that this ban, if challenged in the courts, would be found to be illegal.
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Postby saravakos » Fri May 19, 2006 2:08 am

stuballstu wrote:Sotos wrote

The Scottish are not English. The Barcelonians are not Sevillians. But Greek Cypriots are Greek So you see there is a difference from the examples that you gave. You should think Greek Cypriots are as a subset of Greeks like English are a subset of British. Thats not very good example but I can't think of a better one now


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I'm afraid we will have to agree to dis-agree. The reason that you cant think of a better example as there probably isnt one.

What i am saying is that politically Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales are all recognised as the UK. Not one have an independent government.

Greek Cypriots are not Greek, they are Cypriot first and foremost, with Greek ancestry.

The situation with Cyprus and Greece is unique as is the situation in the UK. The situation in the UK is even more confusing. You can have Scotland, England, Northern Irleland and Wales taking part in World Cups, european champions League, but represent the UK in the Olympics??? :roll:

Jeez another can of worms opened.

irish, scottish and welsh people DO NOT support england though. thats a massive difference for you right there, whereas if you go to cyprus you'll see many cypriots wearing the greek national shirt
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Postby Simon » Sat May 20, 2006 2:03 pm

Greek Cypriots are Greek. Why is that so hard to understand? They are Cypriot nationality, but Greek people. To say that they are Cypriot first is itself a contradiction, because the two are not separate. It is like saying the Cretans are Greek first and Cretans second because they are a part of Greece? It does not make sense does it? Neither does it saying it the other way round about Cyprus. They are Greek, with Cypriot nationality because they were born in Cyprus. Simple as that.
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Postby stuballstu » Sat May 20, 2006 5:31 pm

saravakos wrote

irish, scottish and welsh people DO NOT support england though. thats a massive difference for you right there, whereas if you go to cyprus you'll see many cypriots wearing the greek national shirt


The majority dont support Engerlund, your right.

I have seen many cypriots wear Greek shirts too, so why not take the Greece flag to the game instead of a Cyprus flag? makes sense that way.

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Greek Cypriots are Greek. Why is that so hard to understand? They are Cypriot nationality, but Greek people.


Its hard to understand as you are not Greek! You are Cypriot with Greek roots. There is a difference between Greek people and Greek Cypriots. They are not the same, similiar, but not the same.


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It is like saying the Cretans are Greek first and Cretans second because they are a part of Greece? It does not make sense does it? Neither does it saying it the other way round about Cyprus
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I didn't know that Cretans had an independent government away from Greece. When did this happen?
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Postby Simon » Sat May 20, 2006 5:40 pm

[quote]Its hard to understand as you are not Greek! [/quote]

Ethnically, we are! If you are talking about what is says on paper, then we are Cypriot. Hence, Greek Cypriots!

[quote]I didn't know that Cretans had an independent government away from Greece. When did this happen?[/quote]

So does an independent government change thousands of years of history and genetic make-up? Just because we have an independent government is does not mean we are not ethnic Greeks is what I'm saying.
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Postby Sotos » Sat May 20, 2006 5:41 pm

Its hard to understand as you are not Greek! You are Cypriot with Greek roots. There is a difference between Greek people and Greek Cypriots. They are not the same, similiar, but not the same.


So if they make a separate goverment for Peloponisos the people of Peloponisos will stop to be Greek? :?
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Postby Simon » Sat May 20, 2006 5:43 pm

Spot on Sotos!
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Postby wogboy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:17 am

Hello again,

I just want to write a message of thanks to everybody that sent me an email. The game has been and gone, and although we did not achieve the outcome we wanted, it was great to see so many Greek and Cypriot individuals come together. Prior to the game about 5000 marched through the city, causing the streets to be closed. It was very peaceful and made headlines accross Australia. The feeling throughout the game was calm and peaceful and I will not be forgetting this experience as long as I live.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:38 am

wogboy wrote:
Prior to the game about 5000 marched through the city, causing the streets to be closed. It was very peaceful and made headlines accross Australia. .


Wogboy,

What was the purpose of the 5,000 marching before the game, causing traffic jams. I bet it made the headlines.
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