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Postby Antreis » Tue May 16, 2006 12:44 am

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The steps of intergration didn't work out yet because ,as i 've mentioned, the local authorities have a xenophobic and a racist approach mostly because of their historical ignorance.
About the crime rate i don't have any solid facts, only from what i learn from the also historically ignorant media.
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Postby RichardB » Sat May 20, 2006 10:13 am

This topic seems to have got onto the subject of immigration and enclaves. As an Englisman married to a cypriot (27years) I would be interested in views regarding the British who seem also to have set up their own communities (in the Pafos area especially). And do not seem to want to integrate with the local population, But seem to want to create a 'Little Britain' in the sun.
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Postby Piratis » Sat May 20, 2006 2:00 pm

Richard, what you talk about is not a new phenomenon. We also know Greeks and Greek Cypriots that have set up their little Cyprus/Greece in other countries when many of them were concentrated at the same place.

This is natural for some people and if the people are left alone to decide what they want to do, eventually (after a couple of generations) they will integrate just fine.
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Postby Antreis » Sat May 20, 2006 2:16 pm

RichardB wrote:This topic seems to have got onto the subject of immigration and enclaves. As an Englisman married to a cypriot (27years) I would be interested in views regarding the British who seem also to have set up their own communities (in the Pafos area especially). And do not seem to want to integrate with the local population, But seem to want to create a 'Little Britain' in the sun.


Dear Richard,
Nobody can answer your question and leave everybody else satisfied.
Our STUPID sixties constitution does not address these issues in a democratic and just way.You HAVE to belong to one the groups specified in the RACIST document otherwise you are considered that you exist as a legal entity.

Few years ago the few thousand Philippino maids of the island tried to organize as a group and used the word community in the title of their organization. Of course that was like a declaration of war and subsequently had to remove the guilty word from it. That example was to show you the intolerance of our constitution for even the usage of a word.
So better enjoy your stay in the island of sun,Cyprus.

The world around us is changing so rapidly and we are not even allowed to change our out of date constitution.

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Postby Alexander » Sat May 20, 2006 2:34 pm

cypezokyli wrote:people from ex-ussr , where used by the greek state for political purposes.

i still need to see proof that the criminal rate is higher among that group.

paphos is indeed a place where the steps of integration didnot work out.


Change the record; I have not seen one post that from you that is positive about Greeks. The fact that before they arrived crime was unheard of, and now it’s rife may be more than just anecdotal proof! I think your Pontians mates have come out quite well in all this. As for the Greek state “using them”, would you have preferred they stayed put. Or better still shipped of to your friends in Anatolia? Now they really now how to integrate immigrants, ask the Kurds or Armenians.
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Postby RichardB » Sat May 20, 2006 2:46 pm

Thanks for the 2 very different replies fellas. My own personal view is that if living in a country we should try and integrate with the lifestyle and culture of that country, Learn the language and mix with the local people. I raised the question because I visited Pafos for the first time in a good few years recently and to be honest i was quite shocked by the lack of integration between the Cypriot and British population there. I guess I'd better stick to the Lefkosia I know and love.
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Postby TheCabbie » Sat May 20, 2006 3:06 pm

RichardB wrote:Thanks for the 2 very different replies fellas. My own personal view is that if living in a country we should try and integrate with the lifestyle and culture of that country, Learn the language and mix with the local people. I raised the question because I visited Pafos for the first time in a good few years recently and to be honest i was quite shocked by the lack of integration between the Cypriot and British population there. I guess I'd better stick to the Lefkosia I know and love.


I'm a Brit (naturalised Cypriot) and have lived here for 14+ years, unlike many ex-pats, I mixed with Cypriots back in the UK before I ever thought of even visiting Cyprus and know that there is practically NO difference between the Cypriots in the UK and the Brits here, apart from here we have ex-pats who "go native" and then claim to be shocked :roll: by their own countrymen.

I've just moved to Nicosia from Paralimni and don't really know what you find to love about the place, it's just another capital city with a large number of foreign workers, there doesn't seem to be much integration to me, unless you're refering to car cleaners/petrol pump attendants/maids/bakery assistants. What am I missing here? :?
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Postby RichardB » Sat May 20, 2006 3:48 pm

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Having done the monthly Green Lanes run for many years I agree 100% with you that there is little difference between Cyoriot and Brit ex- pats.
If by going 'native' you mean learning the language and adapting to local customs then I am guilty of this. I certainly dont claim to be shocked by the actions of my countrymen. But saddened that they dont seem willing to integrate.(I must admit that this habit does seem to be particular to ex-pats in the Pafos area)
Regarding Nicosia I find that the vast majority of the people there are more than willing to accept 'foriegners' As long as they try to integrate. And I dont get ripped off as much as I do in other areas.
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Postby Svetlana » Sat May 20, 2006 4:19 pm

Hi Richard

I would suggest integration is much easier if you speak Greek and speaking Greek is much easier if you have a Greek speaking marital partner.


Most British people I see in Paphos are of an age such that learning a new language is beyond them; with English so universally spoken there is little motivation.

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Postby cypezokyli » Sat May 20, 2006 4:56 pm

Alexander wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:people from ex-ussr , where used by the greek state for political purposes.

i still need to see proof that the criminal rate is higher among that group.

paphos is indeed a place where the steps of integration didnot work out.


Change the record; I have not seen one post that from you that is positive about Greeks. The fact that before they arrived crime was unheard of, and now it’s rife may be more than just anecdotal proof! I think your Pontians mates have come out quite well in all this. As for the Greek state “using them”, would you have preferred they stayed put. Or better still shipped of to your friends in Anatolia? Now they really now how to integrate immigrants, ask the Kurds or Armenians.


i think tpaps way of thinking is spreading like a diseace :roll:
you know what i am thinking right now ?
that i wasted more than an hour in google to find that article in phileleftheros concerning a research that i read a year ago , about xenophobic tendencies in our schools. firstly bc phils search engine only goes 6 months back. second bc i dont believe you ever bothered to read it. and third bc people of your kind will never learn to provide evidence of what they say. just open their mouth and shout sth with ever being able to back it up. if you say sht you should have the guts to prove it. idou i rodos....

in the meantime , let me provide you one more source , about greek immigrants in the US in the beggining of this century. its from one of the most respected newspapers of greece. read it. get informed
http://www.enet.gr/online/online_fpage_ ... 2,84918604

you say i never say sth positive about greece. the reporters of ios are sth that the greeks should be proud of. visit their website you might learn sth.

let me give you sth positive that i read in the press today :
Mehmet Ali Birand

You may remember the flag controversy in April 2005, when a Turkish flag was desecrated with English swear words and left in the room of two Turkish officers and five Land Forces Academy students who were guests at the Greek War Academy.

The incident needlessly created a huge uproar.

It was a violation of all polite conduct. It was tantamount to insulting the guests in your own home. The Turkish Office of the Chief of General Staff and the Land Forces Command justifiably reacted.

The latest stories coming from Greece show that the Greek Armed Forces are not taking the matter too lightly. It appears a Greek Cypriot student was responsible for the attack. After the investigation, the student was suspended a week before he was due to graduate. It is a very severe punishment. The young student's military career ends even before it begins.

This decision shows how sensitive Greece is towards relations with Turkey. This is what really matters.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=43921

wouldnt you agree that the above is positive ? :wink:
greece has many positive things , but we never get to discuss about culture in here...
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