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Postby Antreis » Mon May 15, 2006 6:30 pm

Can somebody answer me the following;
There is a Turkish Cypriot lady running in the current elections as a member of the EDI.
If is she ever been elected will be one of the 56 Greek Cypriot MPs
or she will take the seat of one the empty one reserved for our Turkish Cypriot co-patriots.
It is a well known fact that Turkish Cypriots living with us in the government-controlled areas didn't even have the right to vote in any elections since 1963.Did this undemocratic Zyrichian law has changed and when?
Please enlight me!
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon May 15, 2006 8:19 pm

she is allowed to run with the gcs due to a legal excuse called i think "necessity". i cannot give you the exact legal term but in short , due to the current situation and bc the majority of the turkish cypriots do not exercise their communal rights , we thought of allowing tcs living in the south to exercise political rights and not their communal rights. in short if nese yasin is elected she will receive a gc place in the parliament.

the interesting is that a group of tcs has demanded their communal rights according to the 1960 constitution , i.e. asked to be elected in the next elections. our goverment rejected , and the case is going to the courts.
if they win at some point , i would assume that those positions will not be empty anymore.

the question is : do we want that ? :wink:
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon May 15, 2006 8:21 pm

btw , welcome to the forum.
how did an antreis found himself in somalia ?!!!
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 15, 2006 9:19 pm

Did this undemocratic Zyrichian law has changed and when?

As you know we were forced to accept such undemocratic things. If it was up tp us there would be no such racist discrimination among the citizens. Unfortunately others insisted on this, so those others should be blamed about this, not us.

According to the 1960 agreements the TC community is considered as one entity. The leadership of this entity today (as recognized by the international community) is Talat, Denctash etc. The TCs (through their leadership) do not even recognize RoC. They call it "GC Administration", and they insist on illegally occupying 1/3rd of RoC.

Unfortunately the rest of TCs fall victims of their own leadership. As you understand we can not have 2 TC leaderships, one that keeps 1/3rd(+) of Cyprus illegaly and one that keeps 1/3rd(+) of Cyprus legally.

If TCs decide that they want to return to RoC then they are more than welcome. Until then the RoC will do everything that it can to accommodate the minority of TCs that do not agree with their leadership, and this is why the law was modified so TCs can be elected along with GCs in the elections.

she is allowed to run with the gcs due to a legal excuse called i think "necessity".


legal excuse???? And what would you suggest? To give to the couple of 1000s of TCs that live in free RoC all the seats that are reserved for the 140.000 TCs so that every family of TCs in free RoC will have an MP, while at the same time the rest of TCs illegally keep 1/3rd of Cyprus???

Come on cypezokyli, what are you talking about? There is only one TC community. The TCs have to decide by themselves what they want.

(how about telling to the Turkish army that all the Famagusta people had voted yes in the referendum and because of this Famagusta should be given back as per Annan plan, but since the rest of the GCs voted "no" that the rest of the Annan plan parameters will not apply. Do you think they would accept this?)
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Postby Antreis » Mon May 15, 2006 9:47 pm

Thanks for the answer and the welcoming message.
Unfortunately the Cyprus problem is a multifacet one( problem that is) which not only affects the actual physical welfare of the people living on the island but also the basic human rights that even African countries legally enjoy.
Not taking into consideration the continuing occupation of the 40% of the land by a prospect EU member, the human rights of the Cypriots are jeopardized by the Zyrich constitution that directs for separate majorities among the island's main ethnic groups.This anomaly ,which by the way is unheard of universally, would have been perpetuated by the malicious Anan Plan.
The T/C living on the legally controlled area and accepting the Rebublic of Cyprus as the only legal entity on the island could not exercise their foundamental right to elect or being elected for the last 40 years.
Separate communal majorities ,in my opinion, neutralize the potency of the TOTAL country majority and tend to be racist,highly opportunistic,undemocratic,discrimatory and subsequently ineffective as a system.Unfortunately the Gods planned against our wishes in the late 50's and since then they don't let go.
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 15, 2006 9:56 pm

I CAN NOT WAIT FOR CYPRUS TO HAVE A POLITICAL PARTY CONSISTING OF TURKISH AND GREEK CYPRIOTS,
its about time that our Cypriot politicians began to think in terms of long term benefits to all Cypriots .A political party that forms its manifesto on policies and not nationalistic or religious values will be the saviour of generations to come. A Cypriot foreign secretary that attends international forums proudly carrying the Cypriot credentials and answerable only to Cypriots , not the Foreigners , Greece or Turkey. It takes guts to tell both of these countries to get lost , it takes political wisdom to understand that for as long as we are reliant on these nations for our identity a solution will be that much harder to procure.As Greek and Turkish Cypriots primarily we can go forward AS CYPRIOTS.
The English , the Scots , the Welsh are in mixed political parties , all are fiercely proud of their ethnicity , yet they all call themselves Brits ( Succesive UK goverments regretably have devalued the British identity in their stride towards multi culturalism , which is collapsing all around us , a lesson we Cypriots must learn , not to denigrate our values in order to appease settlers on either side .We have always been a secular society and such we must remain .
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Postby Antreis » Mon May 15, 2006 10:20 pm

To Mr Miltiades
Well made points although i don't agree on the "settlers on either side".
It is well known that the only settlers in Cyprus are of Turkish origin.
Of course nobody can prohibit Greeks(Elladites) to come to Cyprus to stay or to any other country for that matter.
The difference lies in the institutional way of emigrating/settling that is carried on by the Kemalian state.
It is also a well known fact that immigration to the island by people of various origins flourishes.
We have EU citizens(British ,Germans etc), East Europeans and Asians.Eventually a number of them stays in Cyprus permanently as naturalized citizens.
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 15, 2006 11:09 pm

Antreis , we have encouraged many so called Greeks to remain in Cyprus , mostly in Paphos , where ghettoes have been established by Foreigners who have not got one iota of common ground with the local Cypriots.
I agree that the general term settlers is associated with the Anatolian Turkish settlers in the occupied part.

Im sure that you share my views however that Cyprus must retain its own identity and that foreign influnces on the island must be seen as what they are. Foreign influences.
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Postby Antreis » Tue May 16, 2006 12:15 am

Mr Miltiades,
I surely share some of your views, howerer permit me to disagree on the subject of the ''so-called'' Greeks of Paphos.
The "problem" of these people was born just after the mighty USSR collapsed on the early 90's.The Greek state in order to help those unfortunate co-patriots of us helped them to relocate , first in northern Greece.Some of them were relocated subsequently to the island.
Some of the facts that probably influence a decision to bring a number of to Cyprus were
1.The desperate need of Cyprus for foreign labor
2.The national interest of helping a needy part of our nation
3.Politics

More facts are:
1.Although they are Greeks their majority don't speak Greek(They speak Russian and other languages of the ex USSR republics).
2.Some of them are not Christian although Greek
3.Their manners, education and appearence are not Continental/Western generally speaking.
4.They are hard working poor people.
5.The crime rate among them is probably higher than the national average.
6.Their education level is probably lower than the national average.
7. It is also true that some of them are not even Greeks that took advantage of the helping hand of the Greek and Cyprus governments.

The main problem is with our leading politicians especially those of the Paphos district and particularly of a certain high standing racist Chieftain/MP of the ruling party DIKO.
They simply don't try to come close to them ,treating them as outcasts and 3rd class citizens.
And speaking about politicians i would like to bring to your attention that most of them are history-illiterate.Without learning history is like driving a car without having the basic driving skills.
Given enough time, goodwill,proper education and a lot of effort by all involved i believe that they will finally get "an iota of common ground with the local Cypriots"

I'm not an expert on this subject and please give me more time to study my facts thoroughly before i give you a more complete reply later on.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue May 16, 2006 12:33 am

people from ex-ussr , where used by the greek state for political purposes.

i still need to see proof that the criminal rate is higher among that group.

paphos is indeed a place where the steps of integration didnot work out.
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