Greek Flags and DISY
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| michalis5354 |
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Thus, the main criterion for whether something is a dialect of another language or a separate language (and what is being standardized, what not) is the relative political power of the speakers of that language/dialect. The decisions about what are "languages" and what are not, are thus political decisions. Those with enough power can claim that what they speak is a language and what less powerful groups speak are dialects. Political definitions of a language would be: "a language is a dialect with an army (and a navy)" or "a language is a dialect with state borders" or "a language is a dialect promoted by elites". (TSK)
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http://www.terralingua.org/Definitions/DLangDialect.html
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The Modern Cypriot lexicon contains loanwords from Turkish, Arabic, English, Italian and other languages, as well as words unique to Cyprus.
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:22 am |
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| michalis5354 |
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| Sotos wrote: |
| Cypriot is a dialect and not language. |
The decisions about what are "languages" and what are not, are political decisions. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:30 am |
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| Antreis |
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"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:11 am |
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| Strahd |
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| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
And they are calling us Nationalists... |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:50 am |
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| cypezokyli |
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| Strahd wrote: |
| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
And they are calling us Nationalists... |
tell me srahd , what exactly did you mean that enosis was lost due to the ambitions of one man ? |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:26 am |
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| Kifeas |
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| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
What do you mean by that Antreis?
Are you saying that we cannot and should not try to build the future of Cyprus on the basis of a single Cypriot nation concept?
Do you know what the modern definition of what constitutes a nation today is?
Do you realise that by refusing this notion, you are essentially dancing on the tunes of the Denktash and the Turkish deep-state music, which claim and promote that in Cyprus there are two nations (people,) and therefore there should also exist two separate, autonomous, ethnically based and equal states, functioning “sovereignly” side by side?
Do you realise that the Annan plan was built on this very notion and theory?
Do you favour the Annan plan?
I bet you did not, and this is what makes your above reaction sound so stupid as well! |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:49 am |
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| Strahd |
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| cypezokyli wrote: |
| Strahd wrote: |
| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
And they are calling us Nationalists... |
tell me srahd , what exactly did you mean that enosis was lost due to the ambitions of one man ? |
I will not analyse this, I will only give you a few hints that will make you curious and make you study a little bit more.
-November 1955
-Dean Acheson
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:00 am |
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| Kifeas |
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| Location: Lapithos, Kyrenia, now Pafos; Cyprus. |
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| Strahd wrote: |
| cypezokyli wrote: |
| Strahd wrote: |
| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
And they are calling us Nationalists... |
tell me srahd , what exactly did you mean that enosis was lost due to the ambitions of one man ? |
I will not analyse this, I will only give you a few hints that will make you curious and make you study a little bit more.
-November 1955
-Dean Acheson
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1. Tell me Strahd, do you still maintain resentment feelings for the loss of the enosis dream, and thus you feel the need to administer blame to those you regard “responsible” for its loss?
2. Do you continue to maintain such a pro-enosis romantic notion? |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:49 am |
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| Antreis |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
What do you mean by that Antreis?
Are you saying that we cannot and should not try to build the future of Cyprus on the basis of a single Cypriot nation concept?
Do you know what the modern definition of what constitutes a nation today is?
Do you realise that by refusing this notion, you are essentially dancing on the tunes of the Denktash and the Turkish deep-state music, which claim and promote that in Cyprus there are two nations (people,) and therefore there should also exist two separate, autonomous, ethnically based and equal states, functioning “sovereignly” side by side?
Do you realise that the Annan plan was built on this very notion and theory?
Do you favour the Annan plan?
I bet you did not, and this is what makes your above reaction sound so stupid as well! |
You have obviously totally misunderstood me!
I was ironically refererred to the notion that Cyprus is an etnically cohesive nation in which the parts are homogenized so as to form a new breed of people.Of course i'm against the Annan Plan or any other plan by any other name that is based on those unheard of principles.
Cyprus can be a nation based on the citizenship of its cohabitants and not of their ethnic or religion background.
I hope that your fears about my person being an Ananist have been resolved. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:06 pm |
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| Strahd |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Strahd wrote: |
| cypezokyli wrote: |
| Strahd wrote: |
| Antreis wrote: |
"Cypriot Nation" !!!!!!!!!!!
Another joke. |
And they are calling us Nationalists... |
tell me srahd , what exactly did you mean that enosis was lost due to the ambitions of one man ? |
I will not analyse this, I will only give you a few hints that will make you curious and make you study a little bit more.
-November 1955
-Dean Acheson
-1964 |
1. Tell me Strahd, do you still maintain resentment feelings for the loss of the enosis dream, and thus you feel the need to administer blame to those you regard “responsible” for its loss?
2. Do you continue to maintain such a pro-enosis romantic notion? |
No Kifeas I do not... but I do not forget history, and never deny who I am to justify my mistakes. |
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