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Postby miltiades » Mon May 22, 2006 8:22 pm

There is no excuse for brutality , if indeed the Turkish pilot was burned alive then I as a Greek Cypriot will bow my head in shame . You can not justify barbaric behaviour by using the analogy that todays terrorists are using. I have heard so many times that the monsters who cold bloodedly murdered 52 Londoners on July 7th 2005 carried out this attrocity because of all the suffering that their brothers and sisters in Irag and Palestine have to endure.
There is no parallel to cold blooded murder . I hope that this post does not encourage the derogatory replies and accusations of appeasing the Turks , I can not think of any civilzed political leader condoning the act of revenge in such an appalling fashion.Perhaps some fanatics out in Iran might do so but certainly not in the Western World.
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Postby Antreis » Mon May 22, 2006 8:41 pm

NO ONE gives excuses to brutality , some people just try to explain how these atrocities occured , if ever occured.
Of course i believe none of us here were present at Tylliria at the time of the bombardments, so we lack an eyewitness point of view.
Unfortunately i know cases of brutality in the 1974 fights in Limassol but i also know cases of humanistic approach coming from the defending Cypriot forces.
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 22, 2006 8:42 pm

Kikapu , I have read your post and noted you have not been to Cyprus for 42 years. I find that hard to understand , I do know of a Turkish Cypriot in London who during the course of my business I see him often and I always give him a friendly reprimand that he has'nt visited Cyprus for almost as long as you . I find it difficult to equait a bitter experience as a child with abstaining from reconnecting with your past .
I think that a solution to OUR PROBLEMS IN CYPRUS WILL BE FOUND . I beleive the Turkish Cypriots are not entirely happy with their lot and I DO NOT consider as some do , that in time the International Community will come round to recognising the occupied state of Northen Cyprus, - and I use the word occupied in line with
Internationally acknowledged definitions of occupation by Foreign armies such as the Turkish army.
We shall unite our island and we shall break loose from our prejudices , our hates and above all our perceived Motherlands .
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Postby Kikapu » Tue May 23, 2006 10:30 am

Miltiades,
Thanks for your interest of my past. There's nothing sinister as to the reason why I have not returned back to Cyprus really. Almost all of my family are either living in the UK or Turkey, so I do not know anyone there. My mother is there right now visiting whats left of her family, but I really do not remember them.

I lived in the UK from age 11 until 25, then went to the States for a holiday, that lasted 25 years, and the last 2 years I have been living in Switzerland. Who knows, maybe the circle of my travels will lead me back to Cyprus.

I would have come for a visit much earlier, only I did not want to do any military service or pay the £4,000 pounds to get out of serving. All this suppose to have ended at age 50, so I made plans to come this month to find out that it has not ended. Sure, I could have come for a visit and left with a promise to return to serve or pay in the near future, but did not want to put myself in a position of not keeping my promises. Is there such requirements for the GC's by the ROC ?.

I'm sure there are many angry Cypriot on both sides who accuse the other side of cruelty and never again want to live together. There are many GC's that accuse the TC's of answering only to their "masters" in Ankara, but how can the TC's bite the hand that saved them, in their views.

Anyway, one can find happiness and get on with life where ever one chooses if they have the opportunity, and I think I have found mine, most of the time anyway, but I can never forget that I'm a Cypriot first and a British / American second.

Perhaps when one day all this mess is resolved, the members from this forum can arrange to meet to see each other face to face and look back and laugh at some of our comments. Can't wait to see GreekCypriotGurl_UK..!!!
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Postby Kikapu » Tue May 23, 2006 10:31 am

Miltiades,
Thanks for your interest of my past. There's nothing sinister as to the reason why I have not returned back to Cyprus really. Almost all of my family are either living in the UK or Turkey, so I do not know anyone there. My mother is there right now visiting whats left of her family, but I really do not remember them.

I lived in the UK from age 11 until 25, then went to the States for a holiday, that lasted 25 years, and the last 2 years I have been living in Switzerland. Who knows, maybe the circle of my travels will lead me back to Cyprus.

I would have come for a visit much earlier, only I did not want to do any military service or pay the £4,000 pounds to get out of serving. All this suppose to have ended at age 50, so I made plans to come this month to find out that it has not ended. Sure, I could have come for a visit and left with a promise to return to serve or pay in the near future, but did not want to put myself in a position of not keeping my promises. Is there such requirements for the GC's by the ROC ?.

I'm sure there are many angry Cypriot on both sides who accuse the other side of cruelty and never again want to live together. There are many GC's that accuse the TC's of answering only to their "masters" in Ankara, but how can the TC's bite the hand that saved them, in their views.

Anyway, one can find happiness and get on with life where ever one chooses if they have the opportunity, and I think I have found mine, most of the time anyway, but I can never forget that I'm a Cypriot first and a British / American second.

Perhaps when one day all this mess is resolved, the members from this forum can arrange to meet to see each other face to face and look back and laugh at some of our comments. Can't wait to see GreekCypriotGurl_UK..!!!
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Postby miltiades » Tue May 23, 2006 4:29 pm

Kikapu thanks for that , hope you do enjoy your visit to Cyprus and that you will be compelled and captivated by the natural beauty of the island and its' people as not to leave it for another 40 years before re visiting !
I understand your personal circumstances .
I have the most precious grand daughter living in Cyprus , only 2.5 years old , and I try and visit once a month for a few days. Cant wait for my next visit.
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Shift in Balance of Power

Postby sadik » Thu May 25, 2006 8:42 am

Could this be the shift in the balance of power that some are waiting for? :)

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Postby cypezokyli » Thu May 25, 2006 9:35 am

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Shift in Balance of Power

Postby Piratis » Sun May 28, 2006 2:13 am

sadik wrote:Could this be the shift in the balance of power that some are waiting for? :)

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Good joke sadik.

However I don't think this is a matter that should be taken lightly. If you mistreat others, arrogantly thinking that you will always be in the power position, then sooner or later your turn to suffer will come.

The only way to brake this circle of blood is if we remove all racist separation between Cypriots and create in Cyprus one united people with common interests. Otherwise we will continue to have two conflicting communities that will be awaiting for the right time to harm one another.
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Postby Grande_assiette » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:02 am

Dear Piratas

I rather hope that a CY solution would NOT be modelled on a Latvian / Estonian model.

The USSR moved a lot of it's citizens into the former Baltic countries - the folk didn't have any choice in most cases. They've had kids, and those kids have had kids.

Would you :

1/ throw them all out ?

2/ tell them they must learn all lessons in Latvian ( though even during Soviet times, Latvian was still ued in schoools?)

3/ tell the grandchildren that they aren't citizens of the country their grandparents, parents and they, are born in - unless they pass a Latvian language test, and denounce the Soviet invasion.

They can't vote, travel freely and AREN'T european citizens.. they are "NON citizens"..

At least the Lithunanians were able to assimilate the Russian speakers...

Do two "wrongs" make a right? .. not in my book..

I note that the RoC seem to be adopting this model you suggest, already..

Non EU citizens living legally in the RoC for 5 years plus, should have been able to obtain permanent residency- the EU directive came into force on the 23/1/06

the RoC and other member states have failed to amend their laws accordingly, and apparently going to make a language test part of the requirement ... !! ( Not required by the directive!)


I'm one of these "daft" folk who believe that the GCs will have to compromise their "rights" for a generation an adopt an Annan like solution..In another 20 years we will see the great grand-children of the Anatolian settlers being born..
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