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'Why won't Turkey become a full EU member before 2015?'

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Postby demetriou_74 » Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:30 pm

Turkey (( * wrote:No it is not a problem. However earlier you said that Turkey has a bad human rights record. Now can you please tell me a country that doesn't! Let's take USA for example, they have tortured the prisoners in Iraq. Let's take France, Switzerland and Armenia; police abuse against protesters.Check: http://web.amnesty.org/library/engindex. Anyway, the only thing Turkey wants from EU is economical support, but if that means we have to leave what we believe behind, thanks but forget about it! The government may seem very keen to get into EU, but if my observations are true, the people don't care so much. We go in, good for us, we don't, too bad!


sorry the amerians must have the worst. they go about the world thinking they run the place. if they were not so far up the saudi's ars and front of the line for oil they would be nobody.
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Postby brother » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:11 pm

This is an interesting article from the washington post about turkeys e.u hopes and europe

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=17422
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Postby Michael Coumas » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:55 pm

Mr brother
If it is of any help can I perhaps mention one of the UK EU Presidency priorities, one of the many dossiers and issues on which the UK Presidency will seek to make progress.
Under the issue of Security and Stability in particular enlargement may I quote “We will work to deliver the EU’s commitment to open accession negotiations with Turkey on 3 October. This will be an important step for the EU – beginning the process which should lead to EU membership for Turkey. We will also prepare for Bulgarian and Romanian entry in January 2007, and be ready to open accession negotiations with Croatia as soon as the conditions have been met.”
I am not divulging anything I should not here as this info was made public around the end of June.
To anticipate, if I may, any Balkan members intervention to state that Croatia began membership negotiations on 17 March 2005 may I add that these negotiations were on proviso that Croatia cooperated fully with the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia (ICTY). These negotiations did not open due to the assessment that Croatia was failing to cooperate fully with ICTY. Hence the hope that the above condition is met in order for negotiations to start.
I leave you to make what you will of the statement in particular the “……should lead to EU membership......” wording.
Forgive me if I have covered old ground. (I do hope this is not pounced upon by the angry brigade, I think you know who I mean. If only we could harness all that pent up aggression, anger and hate & direct it toward something constructive, we would have the problem solved in no time!)
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Postby brother » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:38 pm

Thanks for that insightful opinion, but we do not know what will happen next week in politics however much we read into and between the lines political views and opinions are not consistant as such.
Hence this leaves us the average person guessing at the best of times but imho i think most political scenarios we see and hear about are pre-agreed and then just played out for us, e.g tassos and denktas knew to manipulate the masses and get the result at referandum to partition the island.
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Postby Michael Coumas » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:07 am

How very true.
Most major decisions are made for one reason or another then a pre determined period is allocated to various departments to ensure that the people are exposed to whatever is necessary to ensure they accept the decision on the day it is made public. This is probably oversimplyfying the scenario but the basic principle is sound wheather used in government, the military or corporate worlds.
Referendums are an easy option for politicians, with carefull wording of the question one can always obtain the answer one desires. Their ability to ask open or closed questions is perfected as is their prolific use of buzz words and phrases which when combined into a sentence sound as though they mean something but in fact say nothing. The sad thing is that I am pretty sure that if both sides had a strong enough message to indicate the will of the people for peace and integration (& if we exclude for now the outside influences) they will at least listen. While we continue to allow in fighting and division they can sit happily on the fence & we do not progress. All we can do Mr brother is hope a negotiated peace is found in our lifetime. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to entertain you and your family in my house in the North and for you and or your kin to return to your ancestral homes in the South. Both sides without fear or intimidation. Then we can again be Cyprus.
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Postby brother » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:01 am

Amen to that michael.
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Postby brother » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:10 pm

Columnist Gunduz Aktan comments on the negotiations framework recently finalized by the European Union Commission. A summary of his column is as follows:

“The European Union Commission prepared the negotiations framework document and stated that our membership talks would start on Oct. 3. The document consists of quotations from the results of summits, progress reports and Partnership Council decisions. Therefore, its contents are no surprise. However, this document works against us due to the choice of quotations, the way they were organized and the things which were put in and left out. Likewise, the Western press agrees that it’s too harsh and that it can’t be compared to the process for other candidate countries. The document doesn’t actually say that negotiations will start on Oct. 3. According to Articles 17 and 18, the process of official scanning will start on that date. The commission will probably spread this process out to one year, and real membership talks will only start at the end of 2006 or 2007. From the first line of the document, it states that our membership depends on our success and the speed of meeting membership conditions. However, those who are against our EU membership might hinder our bid. Listing the Copenhagen criteria, Article 2 of the document added a sentence including “minority rights,” in other words, collective rights. However, the Copenhagen criteria on this issue consist only of respecting and protecting minorities. Article 12 states that we will participate in the economic and monetary union, but that our conditions would be separately evaluated for our adopting the euro. Similarly, it says that ‘detailed technical harmonization’ can’t be determined during the negotiations and that this work would be carried out on a date close to membership. These additions give the impression that it aims to impose a burden on Turkey.

The document states that ‘negotiations aiming at membership are open ended,’ but the Croatian document containing the same sentence makes the open endedness contingent on the ‘nature of negotiations.’ Omitting this expression in our document means that we might not join the EU due to reasons outside the nature of negotiations. As if Croatia is completely meeting the Copenhagen criteria, there is no reference to the ‘implementation’ of reforms in the Croatian document. This stance is evidence of the European prejudice against us. Our document includes the famous paragraph of last December’s summit document, which limits our membership or envisages the privileged partnership indirectly, concerning permanent derogation. The Croatian document doesn’t include this. The document envisages possibly restarting negotiations in the light of shortcomings in reforms or new developments in the acquis commaunitaire, at the end of each chapter of negotiations. This situation gives the commission the opportunity to stretch out our membership talks and shows that it acted from the assumption that the membership talks will last a long time. Suspending negotiations in the case of violation of human rights is included in the Croatian document, but the authority was left to the commission en masse. However, in our situation, negotiations can be stopped by the request of only one-third of the commission. In its current situation, the document can easily stretch out our membership talks, move to privileged partnership, or even deny us EU membership. In brief, the basic aim of giving the Oct. 3 date was to ensure our dependence on European structures, even if we can’t join the EU.”
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Postby jesus » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:28 pm

When it comes to EU, I think Turkey is acting pathetic. It is obvious that Turkey is not wanted. then why push so hard? This is making me feel really bad. My country is acting like a beggar; accepting almost everything dictated to us.

The Erdogan government doesnt really know where to fit the country into. Remember the Last Iraq war? They first acted with USA then made a mess at the parliament and turned them back. They are acting like 5 year old kids. Changing their minds constantly and declaring what they think at the very moment of the thought, not thinking about the consequesnces.

Sadly, I think Turkey is being ruled by rookies who have no idea about ruling a country. Turkey neither has a place in EU nor beside USA. Turkey does not need to be a part of the EU. Besides EU's future doesnt look too bright either.
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