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Postby despo » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:14 pm

bg_turK, there's a bit of a problem for you with your proposal that "Greek Cypriots refugees that have been unfairly displaced must be and will be fully compensated and repropriated as full and equal citizens of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus," in that, if that were to happen, the majority of the population of the "TRNC" would be Greek Cypriot. That would just make two majority Greek-Cypriot states on the island. Is that what you're asking for?

Anyway, I don't know if there's another apporpriate thread to put this in, but we just saw how little support GC positions have within the EU with when no other EU state (Greece doesn't count) was intersted in backing the Republic of Cyprus on this.

But, what I was really wondering is this: if Turkey opens its ports and airports to Greek Cypriots ships and planes, that also means that the RoC will also have to open ports and airports in the areas that it controls (to use the EU lingo), to Turkish ships and planes. I can just see it now, when the Turkish ships try to dock at Limassol to offload all those lovely, cheap Turkish goods! Effectively, expansion of the Ankara Protocol to all 25 EU member states means direct trade between Turkey and the Greek Cypriots.

And what about this recognition of the Republic of Cyprus business? I mean, do we Greek Cypriots really recognise the Republic of Cyprus. Because we certainly don't implement its constitution - the Republic of Cyprus is meant to have a Turkish Cypriot Vice President. If we truly want Turkey to recognise the RoC then we have to recognise it ourselves first and invite Mehmet Ali Talat to be the Vice President!
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Postby bg_turk » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:48 pm

despo wrote:bg_turK, there's a bit of a problem for you with your proposal that "Greek Cypriots refugees that have been unfairly displaced must be and will be fully compensated and repropriated as full and equal citizens of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus," in that, if that were to happen, the majority of the population of the "TRNC" would be Greek Cypriot. That would just make two majority Greek-Cypriot states on the island. Is that what you're asking for?


That is untrue ... with the appropriate tradeoff and exchanges of properties in the South and TCs who have left the South, the number of GCs in the TRNC would ammount to no more than 30% of the total population.
See "Partition" under Proposed Solutions for more info.
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:20 pm

the veto has been withdrawn.

what exactly has been agreed , we ll get informed later on
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Postby miltiades » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:25 pm

Viewpoint , allow me to respectfully disagree with comments made that my dream of a united Cyprus under one multi- community government made up of Cypriots is merely a pipe dream. It is the only solution that t would satisfy the vast majority of Cypriots but also would be fundamental in promoting the Cypriot identity instead of identities that are the cause of our problems .There is nothing unreal about wanting the Cypriots to be the masters in their own country . A Pan-Cyprian political party could convince the majority of Cypriots , in time , that this indeed is the alternative to years of strife and misery.In the UK it exists , why not Iain Cyprus. Well we are not politically mature as yet , perhaps .
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Postby TheCabbie » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:49 pm

bg_turk wrote:The EU should have known better than to admit a divided country at war with its other half as full-fledged member.


Very True.
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Re: DOES THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT HAVE BALLS ?

Postby TheCabbie » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:55 pm

lysi wrote:I can not belive that the cyprus government will have the backbone to stop turkeys entry into the EU, if the occupation comes to an end and people are allowed to get there homes & land back then let turkey join, after all most turks will head for the uk to work & live AND THAT WILL PISS OFF THE ENGLISH.. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll:


No, the Turks and English (who along with the Russians practically own Cyprus) will out vote the GCs and you will be fucking off to Crete or Rhodes to work as a waiter in an Indian restaurant.
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Postby miltiades » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:00 pm

the cabbie , agreeing that Cyprus is at war with its other half ????
If indeed there is a 50/50 choice, you definitely made the wrong choice...
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:38 pm

bg_turk wrote:
Piratis wrote:The "trnc" was created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population and replacing it with foreign settlers. Since when is ethnic cleansing part of "self-determination" or any other right?


Most states have been created by ethnic cleansing, including TUrkey, Greece and Bulgaria. Unlike its older counterparts, the TRNC is now taking corrective measures to undo as much as possible the wrongs done during its creation, and Greek Cypriots refugees that have been unfairly displaced must be and will be fully compensated and repropriated as full and equal citizens of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


Probably you confuse ehtnic cleansing with liberating from foreign occupation. Are you telling me that all the states that were created by kicking out the Ottomans were created by means of ethnic cleansing because the Ottomans were kicked out??
Also do not forget that those events were 100s of years ago when the terms like international law and human rights did not exist.
Unfortunately Turkey insist on middle age practices of land grab and ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

Fortunately thought the results of such practices can not be recognized as legal anymore.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:51 pm

It is not and cannot be. Turkey will never recognize the Souther Cypriot Administration as the sole government of the island before a solution is found and the EU knows that.

The EU should have known better than to admit a divided country at war with its other half as full-fledged member.


We are at war not with our other half but with a foreign invader.

EU knows very well what she is doing. The European people (which does not equal the British and a few other governments) would never accept a Turkey stuck in the middle ages showing no respect to human rights and democracy. So whats the best way to guarantee that such Turkey will never enter the EU?

The answer is: Admit Cyprus in EU.

Now the EU knows that Cyprus will be there to block the entrance of such Turkey. If Turkey starts respecting human rights and legality, they will end the occupation of Cyprus and therefore they will be allowed in the Union.

Cyprus is therefore the safety valve of EU. Now the Europeans can keep Turkey out until it comes up to European standards, without at the same time seem to be harsh to Turkey themselves - they will have their automatic safety valve to blame ("Sorry Mr. Erdogan, but this stupid valve is fully automatic and we have no control over it. It will simply not allow human rights abusers and those that violate international law in the Union").
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:17 am

We all hope that Turkey will indeed join the European Union , just as Cyprus did , we also hope that Turkey will accept that the EU will never admit a nation that occupies one of its member states. Turkey must encourage reconciliation of the two communities by recognising the RoC and by insisting that the Turkish Cypriots are very much part of the ROC , and not a separate state.
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