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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:16 pm

The EU, which had hoped to admit a united Cyprus when the EU expanded in 2004, is keen to end the embargo but says Ankara must move first.


do we trust the EU to do such a thing? afterall, most of their countries promised to do so if TC voted yes and GC voted no on the referandum...we havent seen anything...

however, i do still think that Turkey should do it, and if the embargoes are not lifted, close the ports again...simple...

unfortunately, AKP (the party in power in turkey) have outstanding internal policies with really bad foreign policies...

what do u guys think?
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:53 am

it is dangerous that this problem arised at the time when turkey moves towards elections. during elections there are no sensible leaders, just leaders who want to stay or get to power . and the easiest way to do that is by playing the nationalist card. its a method used for years - and it works :wink:

do we trust the EU to do such a thing? afterall, most of their countries promised to do so if TC voted yes and GC voted no on the referandum...we havent seen anything...


the EU places conditions, and if they are fullfilled there is no reason to for turkey to be afraid.
which countries and what did they exactly promised to the tcs ?

however, i do still think that Turkey should do it, and if the embargoes are not lifted, close the ports again...simple...


precisely :wink:

unfortunately, AKP (the party in power in turkey) have outstanding internal policies with really bad foreign policies...


for some reason i was under the impression that it was the opposite!
could you state which were their "bad foreign policies" ?
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:26 am

In 1923 Turkey renounced all claims on Cyprus in the Treaty of Lausanne , why the hell do they still want total control of Cyprus , because the Annan plan gave Turkey the legal right to intervene any where in Cyprus just as the 1960agreement did. As I mentioned in another post , Cyprus was offered to Greece by the British in 1915 , everybody knows that , and the bloody Greeks declined to accept , we were not good enough for them , why is it then that the Annan plan still gives them the right of intervention (As if they would !!) in Cyprus .
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:27 pm

cypezokyli, AKP are an inexperienced and relatively new party in turkey....when they came to power in turkey, a journalist asked Erdogan what is your position on the Cyprus negotiations...he answered "We want Mr. Annan to draw up a constitution which we will accept, no matter what"...what kind of way is this to do negotiations? thats just an example...AKP are too pro-EU and end up shutting out all the other nations, not giving them much attention...

Miltiades, Cyprus was offered to Greece by the british in exchange for the Greek army fighting battles for the allies in the balkans...Greece did not want to put their country at such a risk and remained neutral...afterall, they would have been fighting Turkey, the Germans, the Austro-Hungarians...All much bigger armys than that of Greece...It made sense to remain neutral...

Also, in 1923, Turkey had to renounce cyprus as they were defeated in the first world war and the island was already in the control of the british who had annexed cyprus at the start of the campaign...the ottoman armys were defeated and barely had enough power to fight back against occupation forces in anatolia and take back what is modern-day Turkey
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:12 pm

Kartal_Aetos , your of course correct , I'm aware of the reasons forcing Greece to reject Cyprus , nevertheless it is a historical event that ought to be known and understood by the G/Cs that Greece would not act in a way that would jeopardise its own security , as indeed the case would have been in 1915.
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:26 pm

my apologies miltiades, i missed the point :) but yes, u are right...to the motherlands we will always be 2nd rate citizens...why should we want to be a part of them?
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:03 pm

I really like brother !
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Postby Natty » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:28 am

Very true! :)
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Postby Natty » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:30 am

Very true! :)
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:31 am

Kartal, where is the quote from? We are part of EU, and we definitely never said such thing. We actually keep telling you that the "embargo" will never end until the occupation of Cyprus is over.

Hey, I hope that was clear, not to come tomorrow and say that EU gave you promises etc. We never did.

Turkey can open her ports or end her EU accession process now. She has to make a choice. The "embargo" is irrelevant to this issue and not something negotiable.
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