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| erolz |
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| magikthrill wrote: |
insan, you are insane.
the republic of cyprus joined the EU in May of 2004. I personally, of half greek half cypriot decent, do not know of a single cypriot who would want to be a part of Greece in the past 20 years.
you are disillusioned my friend. |
with respect I think you misunderstand Insan's position. He is not saying there is a continued desire for Enosis amongst GC in Cyprus, he is syaing that there is in certain sections of GC population a continued desire for a Cyprus that is 'Greek' and solely 'Greek' by character.
For me I believe that enosis was a manifestation of this 'underlying' area of contention between the two communites in Cyprus and that this underlying issue still exists today (though the mainfestation of enosis now no longer does).
In 1960 (and before and after) the GC community (in the main) believed it was right and just (and worth using violence and murder to achieve) for a GC numerical majority in Cyprus to determine the future of Cyprus AND of the TC community on every issue upto and including such a fundamental issues as union with Greece, without having to take any consideration of the TC communites wishes on such matters. Now I believe today that the desire for enosis is no longer widespread in the majority of GC. I do believe however that the underlying issue - that the belief that a GC majority should have the right to determine the future of Cyprus on ANY issue, without any consideration for the views of the TC community in Cyprus still exists today in many GC. I suspect this is closer to what Insan is saying that your apparent understanding. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:11 am |
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| insan |
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And this is a conclusion from your extensive research on the subject. Care to quote any sources? Documented evidence? Or is this just you making assumptions.
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The evidences of this issue will come to surface, one by one through 2005. Papadopulos&His Co. together with National Guard will proudly present the next part of the Cyprus tragedy for you... Soon you'll witness how South of Cyprus will become to the new Naval and Air base of EU; consequently Nato&US as well..
Papadopulos&His Co. together with National Guard and the consultants from Greece are ready to do anything to kick Turkey out of the "big game of the century" aka "New World Order" or "Great Middle East" ...
Now Turkey is not the only gateway to middle east.. They have a new alternative which is weaker and has lots of weaknesses; ready to proudly serve the interests of western world over middle east...
The awaited and expected reward of the "Cyprus team" is the whole Cyprus... Perhaps more... It depends the details of the "plan" and last minute modifications on it... "They" may be surprised and frustrated one more time though... |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:42 am |
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Oh Insan, I love a conspiracy theory. Do please enlighten me!
I have stated my prediction of what will happen.
I have said that all paths lead to a solution in 2005. It is evident that Turkey has no choice other than to sit down and discuss for a solution before negotiations begin. There is no other way. The EU has made this plain and clear to Turkey. If the warning is not heeded then even if the date is given on the 17th, negotiations will stumble at the 1st hurdle.
We are now seeing a shift in position by Turkey. They are now talking about resubmitting the plan to another GC referendum. We know what the obvious reply to that will be so the next step is renegotiation and this time hopefully the issues that matter to the GC's will be taken into consideration. Why don't they just face up to the inevitable?
What amazes me here is that many people just don't seem to understand how the EU works. People seem to think that Cyprus can just be ignored because it is such a small country and that the big boys can steam roller over it. Surely by now you should realise that the failure of the EU and the US to take any action to help the TC's is a result of incompetent politics. And it is a failure of the UN and international community in general for the GC no at the referendum. However much you want to blame and shame Papadopoulos, he has played the game well it has to be said! |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:41 pm |
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| I will not get into the tassos debate again but like mikkie said he is playing the game what i think we all are overlooking is that turkeys silence or inaction of the current situation(based on previous history) is usually the calm before the storm, there will be a turkish response and i am not sure we will like it. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:08 am |
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| magikthrill |
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| erolz wrote: |
In 1960 (and before and after) the GC community (in the main) believed it was right and just (and worth using violence and murder to achieve) for a GC numerical majority in Cyprus to determine the future of Cyprus AND of the TC community on every issue upto and including such a fundamental issues as union with Greece, without having to take any consideration of the TC communites wishes on such matters. |
In my opinion, the whole idea of Enosis that Greek CYpriots had was based on the Greek War of INdependence of 1821 as well as the Balkan Wars in the early 20th century. They thought that since Greeks could wage a war against the Ottomans which led to the exchange of populations (ie removal of Turks from Greece and vice versa) that they could do that to. Because of the British occupation though, they were about 100 something years late, so they were just as disillusioned as our friend insan seems to be.
Note, I am not saying that the violence on the GCs side was in any way justfied. Violation of human rights and breach of international law (including illegally occupying land and denying the right to return of refugees - both TC and GC) are horrible things.
ALs, because of the Britisih occupation, the Turkish and Greek Cypriots were together for a longer time, and developed more common traits then either had with their "motheland." This is actually the way many Greeks and Turks were in Asian Minor up till the begiinning of the previous century.
So basically what im saying is that Enosis could have occurred without the use of violenceif Turkey wasnt invovlved since this was what the majority of the country wanted and as we all know in a democracy majority rules. But because Turkey wanted a larger share in the mediterranean (since they got their ass whooped in the aegean) they could not allow this.
Therefore, what needs to be done is regardless of population percentages all cypriots need to live together in one country, united. The history is past. Sure there are many ifs and whats but war and violence are horrible things and people need to get over nationalistic ideas.
Of course im but a 3rd party observant so my opinion doesnt matter much  |
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