Which party do you support?
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 Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:04 pm |
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| Othellos |
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| True but at least TCs are progressive enough to be able to declare a bicommunal party under "undemocratic" conditions. |
Indeed. But I suspect that even after this party becomes the no.1 political power, Ankara will still be calling all the shots in the occupied areas. Other than that I agree that some TC's are progressive and others are not as progressive. The same applies to the GC's.
From the little I know about him, Mr. Durduran, seems to be an honest politician (a rare quality for any Cypriot politician) with a genuine concern for his country and its future. Perhaps some TC forum members can tell us more about who this man is and where he comes from.
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| Do you think this can happen in the "democratic" south? |
Why the quotes?
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| And no GC replied to my question. Would you consider being a member of this new bicommunal party? Why or why not? |
Given the chance and provided that Mr. Durduran is truly who he appears to be, I would have no problem voting for him or his party.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:12 pm |
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| metecyp |
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I don't believe that the society in the south is as democratic.
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Given the chance and provided that Mr. Durduran is truly who he appears to be, I would have no problem voting for him or his party.
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Would you join to his party though? Voting is easy. Do you think any GCs will join to his party? And how will this be perceived in the south? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:44 pm |
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| I don't believe that the society in the south is as democratic. |
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| Would you join to his party though? Voting is easy. Do you think any GCs will join to his party? And how will this be perceived in the south? |
Only if I were interested in joining a political party (which is not among my priorities at the moment). Imo voting is not as easy as some may think. About GC's joining this party: I can speak (write) only about what I would do. But if other GC's do not join then it will not be a bicommunal party. This will also mean that there was at least one important reason that discouraged them from participating.
Are you enlisting new members online by any chance?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:26 pm |
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Are you enlisting new members online by any chance?
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I'm not a member of this party or any other party. I'm just interested to see how GCs perceive such a party. I hope many TCs and GCs will join this party though so we can finally have a party that cares about all Cypriots not just TCs or GCs. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:19 pm |
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| turkcyp |
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I would not vote for Mr. Durduran's party.
The reason is:
For any party to be trully bicommunal, it has to focus on things other than Cyprus problem. Any party that focuses on Cyprus problem, as an election agenda will not be a truly bicommunal party, because when it comes to Cyprus problem, after 40 years of mess, what benefits a GC is in very contradiction to what benefits a TC. In this kind of environment any party that wants to satisfy its constitutency will have to make hard choices, like
- Do right of return for all refugees exist? A "yes" will turn TCs away a "no" wil turn GCs away.
- Is bizonality a desired solution in Cyprus? A "yes" will turn GCs away and a "no" will turn TCs away.
And the list can be extended like this for a while
So in order to be truly bicommunal party, party should focus on other things that benefit both GCs and TCs. Like labor laws, economy, environment, etc. etc. things that are not political in nature where all of us can agree on.
Lets say Mr. Durdurans party does that. I still would not vote for him, because relating to some of these non political issues they do not satisfy me. They are ery goverment oriented party, not very keen on personal liberties, which is very important for me.
But after the solution I do not see why there should not exist bicommunal parties. And in fact after we leave this Cyprus problem behind us, I believe every party in the south will try to associate itslef with one party in north ( and vice versa) and run joint coordinated campaigns, on the same platform.
Just like in USA. In USA there is not one Democratic party, and one Republican party. There is one of each party in every state. Because every state level election is quite diffenret than the other. But when it comes to national level elections, they coopearte under one umbrella, under very strict guidelines.
I believe this kind of system is very suitable to Cyprus, and would help the formation of true bicommuna parties in Cyprus.
But first things first, in order that to happen, there must be some sort of solution in Cyprus, so that everybody start concentarting issues other then Cyprus Problem. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:57 pm |
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| Piratis |
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THE BASIC OBJECTIVES OF THE PARTY
To Struggle for:
- Being committed to universal values, claiming the independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus, together, for peace, democracy, equality, cooperation and social justice in the Cyprus, EU and the world,
- To struggle to pull back and abolish any interventions against the existence of the Cypriots continuing at each area of the Turkish Republic army-civil administrations and local collaborators,
- Supporting international solidarity, basic human rights and freedoms, pushing back chauvinism in Cyprus and the world, taking the side of labour for a just richness distribution against sharing struggles and exploitation,
- In order to realize the revolutionary transformations which will provide a good future, freedom and just order for human beings and labour,
- By embracing the proletarian classes and affiliated labour groups (workers, peasants, artisans-craftsman, small producers, civil servants, teachers and all white collars living on their labour) of whole Cyprus, by cooperating with all the world’s left movement, especially Europe’s, to globalize labour, by comprehending that the future of humanity lies in socialism, for a world without wars and exploitation
http://www.yenikibris.org/ykp/english/program.htm
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I had a quick look and it seems pretty good. As Othellos said, joining a party in not in my to-do list, but if it is as good as it seems to be then I would have no problem to vote for them.
How much did this party got in last elections?
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| what benefits a GC is in very contradiction to what benefits a TC |
I disagree vertically with this. Sure, one community can have short term gains by "winning" on the loss of another. But in the long run, we all come out with net loss. The solution that will be fair (see solution I proposed regarding an independent, federal, united and democratic Cyprus), will be the most beneficial for all Cypriots in the long run. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:23 pm |
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| MicAtCyp |
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| The democratic society in the south burns the heretics to the ground. |
It did not burn you down though.On the contrary it placed you at one of the highest positions of our Educational system. Go ask your compatriot and colleaque at the occupied areas Mrs Orthon, the TC history teacher what happened to her when she just said: "Ayse should end up her vacations and go home at last"
In the "south" re Bananiot? I pitty you.Is this what you teach our kids at school? South and North instead of free areas and occupied areas?
PS. As usual I don't expect any reply from you, prove me wrong! |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:04 am |
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| Bananiot |
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Of course it does. Recent examples: I voted for the A plan. The President proclaims that I am a nenekis (traitor). He claims that I visit the American embassy to get directives (again a traitor). He claims that I got paid in dollars for my services to the foreigners (burn the traitor).
Are these phenomena normal in any democratic society? And if I claim that democracy in the south (oops, sorry) is not up to scratch, does this mean that it is better in the north? This is distorted logic, to say the least.
How do you know that I have been placed "at one of the highest positions of our Educational system"? I am but a lowly teacher, despite 25 years of "active duty" but your idea that I have been placed there smacks of hatred, complex and misery. Has it ever occurred to you that I might be worth the position I hold? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:18 pm |
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| brother |
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| Bananiot speaks the truth, in a democratic country you accept another persons opinion not call them traitor, the one doing the labelling is probably the real traitor and pointing at others to shift the attention away from them. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:10 pm |
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| MicAtCyp |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| I voted for the A plan. The President proclaims that I am a nenekis (traitor). He claims that I visit the American embassy to get directives (again a traitor). He claims that I got paid in dollars for my services to the foreigners (burn the traitor). |
At last! A reply (?) from Bananiot.
You know damn well the president does not know what you personally have voted. He called NAI-NAI-KIS those who still say NAI-NAI oposing the prevailing will of the vast majority who said OXI.
He used sarcasm against all those NAI-NAI-KIS (=EVET-CILER just to help our TC friends understand what we say here= YES-YES MEN) who walk in and out of the American Embassy every day as if it is their work place. And finally it is a fact that many of the NAI-NAI-KIS were financed by the US.
We have a say in Greek "Aposhi mouyia mouyiazetai". Translate it Bananiotum.
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| Are these phenomena normal in any democratic society? |
Yes they are. Verbal criticism is the basic foundation of every Democracy. Remember ancient Greece? Remember Voltaire?
What is not normal is to suppress the voice of anyone with other means like physical force. Has anyone done this to you Bananiot? By the way you did not yet answer me about Mrs Orthon.....
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| How do you know that I have been placed "at one of the highest positions of our Educational system"? |
I know the salary you are getting.(Or should I say that you gave me enough data to calculate it?). And thats not the salary of a "lowly" teacher. I know very well the scales man...
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| Has it ever occurred to you that I might be worth the position I hold? |
Yes it has. And from what we ve seen so far of you, I admit you do worth it. However what we are talking here is not that,it is whether you were "burned to the ground" because of your beleifs.This is what you said.
Can you honestly say you were?
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| Bananiot speaks the truth, in a democratic country you accept another persons opinion ..... |
Brother do you know where the limits of someones freedom end? If you do, then I tell you that some people exceeded those limits. The ONLY REASON they were not brought to court and get convicted is because they are among our "golden cows". The same way Denktash will never be convicted for his crimes because he is among your "golden cows". Obviously I am not talking about Bananiot, but Bananiot knows very well that I am talking about his adorable Anastasiades. Taking advantage of that, the audacity of Anastasiades and the likes of him, ended up equal to that of a 1000 monkies!!! |
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