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[pantelis]

Why are you talking only about the Kurds?
The Middle East problem is closer and more related to the Cyprus one, in more than one ways.

Questions:

Should the Palestinian refugees have a right for return?
Should the settlers move out of the Palestinian lands.
Do the Palestinians deserve a separate state, should they remain under Israeli occupation, or should they be given equal rights in a new "Israeli/Palestinian" state?

[turkcyp]

So Kurds have their own federal state, an autonomy within their region, they can determine their education, their language is an official language of Turkey, they have their own police, they have a veto power on critical matters, they have a guaranteed representation with a percentage larger than their population percentage in the government??

I did not say what the solution in Cyprus will have. I said What Piratis want to give to us. you have said on multiple occasions that you did not want us to be anything more than a minority, and federal bizonal solution is only a compromise which is very hard for you to swallow.

Please, Kurds in Turkey not only they don't get all these, they don't even get the basic minority rights. .

Nobody is denying Turkey's poor record on human rights in the way they treat Kurds. I agree with you here. But deep inside I really believe that if it was upto you, GCs would like TCs to be in the exact position as Kurds are in Turkey right now. May be I did not know you well enough at this little time, but this is the impression I get from all your replies. Sorry, no offense.

Cyprus has never asked for anything more than human and minority rights for the Kurds. If these were given to them, neither Cyprus nor the EU would say anything about the Kurds.

That is why GCs and Greece together supported a terrorist organization, which is demanding a partition of Turkey, for more than 10 years. So please do not tell me that you do not want anything more than minority rights for Kurds in Turkey.

Sure, I call it "Balance of Power". But other countries have found better ways than the absolute oppression to maintain their integrity. E.g. in the USA the Hispanics are not oppressed like the Kurds are (go to Miami airport - the first language you hear from the airport loudspeakers is Spanish, not English), and in Europe no minority is oppressed to anything close to the degree that the Kurds are. So like it or not, Turkey is lacking significantly in terms of human rights, and this is a fact I don't think you can deny.

I totally agree with you again. Turkey's human rights record has never been something to be proud of.

But again as we have established earlier, Kurds had never had a powerfull ally behind them (until now with the US) to help them earn thier "self determination rights", or any other minority rights.

This is SAD but true. As you have agreed it all depends on POWER.

[turkcyp]

Why are you talking only about the Kurds?
The Middle East problem is closer and more related to the Cyprus one, in more than one ways.

Questions:

Should the Palestinian refugees have a right for return?
Should the settlers move out of the Palestinian lands.
Do the Palestinians deserve a separate state, should they remain under Israeli occupation, or should they be given equal rights in a new "Israeli/Palestinian" state?

A very good example is given by the Pantelis on Israel.

Israel is most obvious example of "international law" crumbling in front of "international politics", and fait accompli becoming accepted after enough passage of time.

IF GCs still think that time is on their side. They better think again looking at the example of Israel. When Israel first occupied West bank ever country on the world, including USA, had said that they should withdraw. After 40 years of occupation, settlements are so rooted in the west bank that, virtually every solution proposed by the world leaves significant amount of settler untouched living in west bank under Isreali authority.

GCs could not kick settlers out of this island in the last Annan plan after negotiations only after 30 years. Do they really believe that any future solution (more than 30 years) proposed will send all of them back to Turkey. Nobody can face the significant human cost of that kind of solution.

Imagine some of these settlers are born here, and living here for about 30 years right now. They have no life outside Cyprus. And after all these years you will tell them, you have to go. Furthermore how are you going to decide who is settler and who is not. What about the ones that have married TCs in the last 30 years. Do they have to go as well? As I have said there is a dramatic human cost to this.

As I have said in another post in another topic. It is theoretically possible, but in reality unfeasible. This is why I do not see any future solution asking all of the settlers to leave Cyprus being implementable in Cyprus. May be the newcomers that have come in the last 10 years. But as everybody knows majoirty of the settlers came immediatley after the 1974 and have been living here for around 30 years right now.

You can not solve the problems of some refugees by creating another set of refugees. In theory it is acceptable, but in reality it is not feasible.

Have a great day everybody,

[brother]

The real problem is that as we speak more settlers are coming to north cyprus, they do not even need a passport to come through or any money in their pockets.

Some are even on the run from authorities in turkey or just let out of prison and their sole intention of coming to cyprus is well i let you guess.