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Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

1. Do you think this school could exist in the current situation? 2. Do you think it could expedite a political settlement to the Cyprus problem even if that means the settlement would occur 10-15 years after the school's opening?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:43 am

1. Yes 2. Yes
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29%
1. Yes 2. No
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31%
1. No 2. No
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31%
1. No 2. Yes
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9%
 
Total votes : 35

Postby insan » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:03 am

Insan,

All those excuses that you gave to excuse the crime of the Turkish invasion, the 6000 people that died and the 200.000 refugees could be a bit convincing if today was 1 week after the invasion. But after 30 years of occupation it is pretty clear that Turkey didn't intervene in Cyprus to restore order. It invaded Cyprus in order to occupy a part of it.

This has been their plan all along.



You are mistaken dear Piratis... Please do a bit more detailed research about it... And in one of the current threads, I've already explained the logical reasons of why the Cyprus problem couldn't have been solved in past 30 years and won't repeat what I've wrote here once again...
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:36 pm

I did a lot of detailed research. Everything shows that Turkey wanted Cyprus back since the time they lost it to the British and they were looking for the right excuse to take it back.

Something like the Americans found the excuse of "nuclear weapons" and terrorism to invade Iraq.

You confuse the reasons with the excuses. You should do some deeper research, you seem to emphasize too much on the surface.
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Postby insan » Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:19 pm

I did a lot of detailed research. Everything shows that Turkey wanted Cyprus back since the time they lost it to the British and they were looking for the right excuse to take it back.



Since you've never shared some quotations with us from your research sources; how could I know that you did a lot of detailed research about the essentials of the Cyprus problem.... :lol: :lol:

ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol:


Some people just talk for amusement....
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:31 pm

Quotations??

Dear insan, I do not talk with quotations taken by the method of "copy - paste" from web sites. (not to mention that 90% of the sites you use are well known for their propaganda). This is what you do, and this has nothing to do with research. (I guess you thought you made something important and intelligent ah?)

What I know is something much more than words supposedly said by someone somewhere. What I know are the undeniable facts of history.

1) Is it, or is it not a fact that most Turkish Cypriots simply considered themselves as Cypriot Muslims until some outsiders convinced them that they are Turks in order to achieve their own plans?

2) Is it not a fact that the Turkish Cypriots were directed from Ankara since the 1950s to promote taksim?

3) Is it not a fact that Turkey always considered Cyprus as a strategic location that they ought to be able to control?

4) Is it not a fact that Turkey wanted to invade Cyprus long before 74 (e.g. 64) but was stopped because the excuse was not good enough until 74?

The undeniable facts go on and on. Soon you are going to ask me for "quotations" for the events that I see happening right inform of my eyes today. Like for example the fact that Turks never gave up their aim for taksim, and along with their allies they are promoting plans to legalize the illegal partition.

Some people are here just for propaganda. We are not buying it thought.
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Postby insan » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:23 pm

What all you have been telling us that nothing more than the official point of view of the Hellen side. I can compare all of your words with those official point of views and prove you this... What you are saying is exactly what T-Pap is telling us. Furthermore there are also a lot of similarities of your views with what once what Makarios and Kyprianu told us...
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:53 am

Denktas graduated the English school. :P
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Postby brother » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:15 pm

thanks mills i have managed to visit most of the links including your own website.

I found them to be informative and very well thought out, now lets see what my cypriot comrades will come up with on the forum.
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Political issues about this school

Postby Mills Chapman » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:05 am

A few folks brought up some political issues in response to my schooling idea, and I will do my best to address them.

I am aware of the history of both the Enosis and Taksim movements.

Regarding the intentions of the American, British, and Turkish governments in the Cyprus region, I don’t know if there can ever be a firm agreement among us or anyone as to what they currently are. Looking at the past, which was influenced of course by the politics of that day, I can see why the CIA would have sponsored the Athens junta, why Kissinger would have sided with Sampson to topple Makarios, and why Kissinger would have then sided with Turkey in order to protect the US-Turkish relationship that kept Moscow at bay.

I can also see why the British might not care now what happens in Cyprus as long as their bases and the EU and NATO alliances are okay, and as long as any violence on the island is self-contained and does not cause additional UNFICYP expenditures, which comes out of the UN budget which Britain helps to finance.

I would imagine that the US would want a political settlement in Cyprus so that Turkey could then recognize the RoC, which in turn would keep the RoC from vetoing Turkey’s bid for the EU, which in turn would let Turkey become an EU member, and eventually, a role model for other Muslim nations with its modernizing democracy and thriving economy. That is the ideal scenario if Turkey were to join the EU, but who knows if that would happen. I also suspect that the US would want a political settlement because they are giving Cyprus $15 million a year for conflict reconciliation activities, and in addition to the British, are weary of needless UNFICYP expenditures.

Perhaps the only thing we can agree on is that these intentions are dictated by the political context of that year or decade. Even if the current intentions of the aforementioned parties are the worst ones possible, I think this school could still work with international support from elsewhere and from the protection of UNFICYP. I would like to think that this schooling idea has merit even without a political settlement, without the Turkish troops having to leave, and without Turkey recognizing the RoC government. Lastly, I would imagine that the EU and the UN would be behind this concept even if the American, British, and Turkish governments weren’t.
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The history curriculum at this school

Postby Mills Chapman » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:17 pm

MicAtCyp, yes, I am aware that R. Denktash graduated from The English School. In fact, I think Clerides and his late brother went there too if I am not mistaken. The question, however, is, “If R. Denktash himself had a very young child in 2004, would he send him across the UN line each day to The English School or even to a school that feeds its students into The English School?” I seriously, seriously doubt it. See my proposal for why I think this way.
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Integrated school

Postby dreamer » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:41 am

Hi. Mills.
I think your integrated school for Cyprus is a great idea. Its been pioneered in Northern Ireland , to address their problems for many years, albeit the children aren't as young as you are advocating. You may find their website interesting.

http://www.nicie.org/ (Northern Ireland Council for Integrated Education)
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