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[cypezokyli]

There's no "tradition" of 1) electing the Archbishop in Cyprus, 2) it only happened one other time-- during the previous election. 3)Even Makarios was elected president but not Archbishop4) Also, the tradition is not in casting dice but in using the method I mentioned.. I also think it is dangerous and uninformed to assume that "all of the bishops" have taken part in the foolishness that characterized this despicable election. Athanasius, like Saint Nektarios of Pentapolis, was slandered, abused and attacked simply because he is a true believer and one of God's servants. The fact that Cypriots do not recognize that simply suggests that they do not deserve him. How sad these next years will be if the Kykkos bishop is confirmed...

in the above underlined part you have made four mistakes concerning cyprus history.
i just numbered them, and kindly ask you to recheck your sources.
or share your sources with us!!

we had six archibishops in the last century, and elections have been at times very "exciting" (to use a politically correct term).
and actually for the last archibishop there were no elections bc there were no other candidates. so i dont really get how you came up with the elections of last time!!
more or less that was the case with makarios C. even though elections did take place he received 77 out 78 votes on the last stage. this is to a large extent of the political change done by the communist party at the time.

the people were again divided into two groups in the elections of 1909 - two kyrills were fighting to be elected.

in 1916, the division didnot really reach the people, but once again big bargains took place behind the scenes. the looser of this elections became later on bishop of athens, and patriarch of costantinople and alexandria.

the same was the case (if i am not mistaken ) about the election of makarios B. the division at those elections came on which bishop was more in favor of enosis or not.

the spirit of archibishopic elections , simply repeats itself

[maewing]

I'm not interested in arguing with you since we clearly see things differently--both with respect to the elections and with respect to our beliefs. What you characterize loosely as "elections" were not in the same form (as you admit when you discuss Makarios) used currently but, in any case, this is besides the point or rather, precisely the point. Whatever you have against the Church, identifying it with a few bishops whom you have assumed are all corrupt--whom you obviously have not bothered to spend time with or about whom you have not bothered to get the facts in relation to--your idea of something "repeating itself" only supports the idea that the elections this or anytime are ridiculous. Moreover, when I speak of the ancient Church practice, I am obviously talking about the Orthodox Church at large and not simply the Cyprus Church. If you bother to read the Church Fathers or even the Synaxarion you will learn about this.

Moreover, you're only being cynical to assume that Chrysostomos proposed the idea to increase his chances--which adds more credence to my feeling that you (like most young Cypriots) do not bother to attend Church very often (unless there is a Baptism or a memorial), particularly when he is serving. Take some time to spend around some holy men and women before you start criticizing them--it will do wonders for your heart. Such cynicism makes me wonder in what institutions do people here rely? I submit that if corruption exists inside the Church (because we, as human are corrupt and cannot follow Christ perfectly) then even the next best institution you might rely on is a thousand times worse.

[cypezokyli]

look lets not get into belief things or the "moral" of certain bishops again.
all i care is about facts that i can back up with sources. and what you wrote above , is not a historical fact

There's no "tradition" of 1) electing the Archbishop in Cyprus, 2) it only happened one other time-- during the previous election. 3)Even Makarios was elected president but not Archbishop4) Also, the tradition is not in casting dice but in using the method I mentioned..

perhaps you meant sth else.
if you did, then i apoligise about my poor understanding of the english language.
and perhaps you are right about what happenned in the shurch 100s of years ago. i admit i dont have a clue what happened back then. you see, when i dont know i tend to admit it.

but when it comes, to the church elections in cyprus in the last 100 years... well , what i presented was pure facts. sorry