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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:08 pm

Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:If -Turkey- is- your -problem- then- recognise- the -TRNC- and -then -you -can -talk -directly- to -them.

Is that better?


You mean the RoC to recognize the “TRNC?”

Do you realize what it means for the RoC and the GC community to recognize the “TRNC?” I suppose you do not?

And why should we recognize the “TRNC” so that we can talk directly to the “TRNC?” Who told you that we are interested in talking, either directly or indirectly to the “TRNC?” We are only interested in talking with the TCs and their community leadership, and with Turkey as the occupying country of a part of Cyprus! For what possible reason should we talk to the “TRNC,” an illegal and arbitrary occupational regime that claims its “existence” on a territory sovereignly belonging to the RoC -under international law and the UN Charter?



Aw! Come on Kifeas. Screw Turkey. Screw international law and the UN. Make the illegality legal and then you can blame just us for any problems if they arise. You have this power in your hands.
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Postby Simon » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:18 pm

[quote]Screw international law and the UN. Make the illegality legal [/quote]

Of course Zan, you would just love that wouldn't you. After all, this is what your best friend Turkey has been trying to do all along!

Well not this time. We will keep the international law and the UN active in Cyprus thank you; and we will make sure the illegalities you have committed against us STAY ILLEGAL.
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:09 pm

So.... after the two sides were separated in 1974, it's logical that the North would need to start its own administration system - yes?

(Incidentally, I thought the TCs were only allowed access to the whole of the island after the RoC acceded into the EU a few years ago - right/wrong???)

If I'm correct, then it stands to reason that any 'solution' can only be found by involving the administration of the 'separated Northern area'? Otherwise, it's a bit like sending a child to bed for being naughty then refusing to talk to it ever again.... Def not logical to me! :roll:

Christine

PS: Another point I've always wondered about.... much talk is made about the Turkish troops being asked to leave, if they did agree, would the Greek troops go too? (Or am I wrong... are the military bases in RoC GC?)
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:05 pm

Simon wrote:
Screw international law and the UN. Make the illegality legal


Of course Zan, you would just love that wouldn't you.



Now that fits right up there with:

"Did that hurt". After some one hits their finger with a hammer.

OR

"Did you fall". When a person is lying on the floor, hurt.

OR

The answer to, would you like a cup of tea. "Only if you are making one"
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:15 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote:So.... after the two sides were separated in 1974, it's logical that the North would need to start its own administration system - yes?

(Incidentally, I thought the TCs were only allowed access to the whole of the island after the RoC acceded into the EU a few years ago - right/wrong???)

If I'm correct, then it stands to reason that any 'solution' can only be found by involving the administration of the 'separated Northern area'? Otherwise, it's a bit like sending a child to bed for being naughty then refusing to talk to it ever again.... Def not logical to me! :roll:

Christine

PS: Another point I've always wondered about.... much talk is made about the Turkish troops being asked to leave, if they did agree, would the Greek troops go too? (Or am I wrong... are the military bases in RoC GC?)


Cuckoo, do you realise what you are saying above?

Do you realise that the way you describe the situation is not just nonsensical, but it is even provocative and insulting?

How can you be so stupid! How can you be so ignorant! How can you be so lazy not to try and read about the problem, and yet try to post your opinion in such a foolish way? You are unbelievable, you know that?

You say above, "after the two sides were separated in 1974, it's logical that the North would need to start its own administration system - yes?

Do you realise what a stupidity you have just said?
In 1974, the two sides were not separated my dear. In 1974 there was an invasion by Turkey, which ethnically cleansed all the 200,000 GCs from the north, and forced them to move south as refugees. Turkey then usurped all their properties and distributed them at will to Turkish Cypriots and its own people that Turkey illegally brought from Turkey. At the time, the total TC population was only about 110,000 people.

Is this a kind of voluntary separation in your little mind, as you described it? Is the above some kind of legitimate arrangement, so that you can also suggest that the "north" must be allowed to go its own way? Which north? I am from the north? I am a Cypriot from the north part of Cyprus, expelled from my homeland in 1974, together with another 200,000 GCs, almost twice as many as the total TC population then and now! Which north must go its own way, and start its own administration? Who are the people of north Cyprus that must have their own administration, as you suggested? The 200,000 ethnically cleansed GCs, or the 110,000 TCs (half of which went there from the south in 1975) plus the more than 100,000 illegal settlers from Turkey that colonised the occupied north, in the place of the lawful inhabitants of the place that Turkey expelled from their homes and properties?

Who are the people of the north that may also have their own administration? Whom does the north belong to? Does it belong only to the TCs who are the owners of only the 1/5th of the private land in this area, or to the GCs too, who are the owners of the remaining 4/5th of the private land? Tell me, which north must go its own way, the north without the vast majority of its indigenous population, as you suggested?

How can you be so stupidly naive to dare suggest the above rubbish?
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:07 pm

Kifeas wrote:
MarsdenCuckoo wrote:So.... after the two sides were separated in 1974, it's logical that the North would need to start its own administration system - yes?

(Incidentally, I thought the TCs were only allowed access to the whole of the island after the RoC acceded into the EU a few years ago - right/wrong???)

If I'm correct, then it stands to reason that any 'solution' can only be found by involving the administration of the 'separated Northern area'? Otherwise, it's a bit like sending a child to bed for being naughty then refusing to talk to it ever again.... Def not logical to me! :roll:

Christine

PS: Another point I've always wondered about.... much talk is made about the Turkish troops being asked to leave, if they did agree, would the Greek troops go too? (Or am I wrong... are the military bases in RoC GC?)


Cuckoo, do you realise what you are saying above?

Do you realise that the way you describe the situation is not just nonsensical, but it is even provocative and insulting?

How can you be so stupid! How can you be so ignorant! How can you be so lazy not to try and read about the problem, and yet try to post your opinion in such a foolish way? You are unbelievable, you know that?

You say above, "after the two sides were separated in 1974, it's logical that the North would need to start its own administration system - yes?

Do you realise what a stupidity you have just said?
In 1974, the two sides were not separated my dear. In 1974 there was an invasion by Turkey, which ethnically cleansed all the 200,000 GCs from the north, and forced them to move south as refugees. Turkey then usurped all their properties and distributed them at will to Turkish Cypriots and its own people that Turkey illegally brought from Turkey. At the time, the total TC population was only about 110,000 people.

Is this a kind of voluntary separation in your little mind, as you described it? Is the above some kind of legitimate arrangement, so that you can also suggest that the "north" must be allowed to go its own way? Which north? I am from the north? I am a Cypriot from the north part of Cyprus, expelled from my homeland in 1974, together with another 200,000 GCs, almost twice as the total TC population then. Which north must go its own way, and start its own administration? Who are the people of north Cyprus that must have their own administration, as you suggested? The 200,000 ethnically cleansed GCs, or the 100,000 TCs (half of which went there from the south in 1975) plus the more than 100,000 illegal settlers from Turkey that colonised the occupied north, in the place of the lawful inhabitants of the place that Turkey expelled from their homes and properties?

How can you be so stupidly naive to dare suggest the above rubbish?


Tut, tut.... why do you resort to verbally abusing anyone who 'dares' to voice an opinion not immediately juxtapositioned to your own? So... Turkey just decided one sunny day in July 1974 to invade - for no reason??? And, of course, they decided to stop part way down rather than take the whole island - for what reason??? Seem to recall that Turkey have one of the largest armies in the world; it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to stop them taking over the whole of the island of Cyprus if that had been their intention.

(As for 'ethnically cleansing' - I always thought that was a euphamism for being killed so one can be either 'ethnically cleansed' or 'moved' - not both!)

Thanks for the insight re. the numbers.... suppose if the ratio is/was 200,000/110,000 then that's why the island was partitioned/separated on a 2/3rd:1/3rd basis or why Turkey stopped 1/3rd way down?

Sincerely, I am not trying to make light of people's suffering - there has obviously been a great deal on both sides as there always in in war - but to move forward people need look forward, not back.

:) Christine
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Postby elko » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:15 pm

Oh dear dear, Christine, now look, you have upset Kifeas. Unless you think like him, you are bound to upset him. He is really upset, otherwise why call yo so many names.
just nonsensical, provocative and insulting, stupid, ignorant, lazy, foolish, unbelievable, stupidly naive, rubbish


This must be a record. Now you really earned a rest and a boost of morale. You should come with me to that party :lol:
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:27 pm

elko wrote:Oh dear dear, Christine, now look, you have upset Kifeas. Unless you think like him, you are bound to upset him. He is really upset, otherwise why call yo so many names.
just nonsensical, provocative and insulting, stupid, ignorant, lazy, foolish, unbelievable, stupidly naive, rubbish


This must be a record. Now you really earned a rest and a boost of morale. You should come with me to that party :lol:
ismet


Hi Ismet,

Hope you've got a special pass for the party otherwise def a wet t-shirt job for you.

As for Kifeas.... my husband (usually quite happy to ignore the computer, is so insensed at how such a nice lady - me - can warrant such insults) wants to also add his 'support'. He says:

"Kifeas, you're a w*nker :evil: and whilst people like you exist there will never be a solution to the problem - d*ckhead!" :o

Have a nice day all! (You'll note I'm the diplomatic one! 8) )

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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:48 pm

Christine couldn't agree with your husband more, do you know what the sad thing is about Kifeas he really doesn't realize the amount of damage he does towards finding a solution, he thinks he is right and everyone else must be wrong.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:53 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote: So... Turkey just decided one sunny day in July 1974 to invade - for no reason???

Did I say it invaded for no reason?
It invaded in order to grab a part of it and partition the island, as it was their and some of the Turkish Cypriot’s dream, since 1956.

By the way, do you happen to know what the pre-text it used to invade was?
I bet you do not know, as there are so many other things you do not, yet you have the audacity to come here and pass around Turkish propaganda. Well hear the pre-text it used, so that you know! It claimed that it made an intervention, based on the 1960 of guarantee, for the purpose of restoring the constitutional order that was threatened /violated by the Greek junta coup. Well, can clever you please tell me if what it did by invading can be regarded as an establishment of the constitutional order?

MarsdenCuckoo wrote: And, of course, they decided to stop part way down rather than take the whole island - for what reason??? Seem to recall that Turkey have one of the largest armies in the world; it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to stop them taking over the whole of the island of Cyprus if that had been their intention

They decided to stop were they stopped because that was their plan to do so. They were only interested in partitioning the island, and they were not interested in occupying the whole of it! They were not interested in occupying the whole of it, but only a part of it, after they would have expelled (ethnically cleansed) the GC population from it and usurp their homes and properties. They were not interested to occupy the whole of it, because they figured out that occupying the whole of Cyprus, the GC population would have been also been included inside the island (they couldn’t annihilate all 600,000 of us) and therefore it would have been difficult to control us, should we did not cooperate with them and instead engage in guerrilla war in order to liberate our country. It was easier for them to expel us from one place and draw a partition line (a boarder) which they could guard with their troops, so that we do not infiltrate through it and live behind their lines.

MarsdenCuckoo wrote: (As for 'ethnically cleansing' - I always thought that was a euphamism for being killed so one can be either 'ethnically cleansed' or 'moved' - not both!)


Ethnic cleansing means either annihilating the indigenous population from one place, or forcing them to live the place in order to save their lives, so that you can have the area clean from an ethnic group and bring in your own people to inhabit the place.

Ethnic cleansing, n.
The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ethnic-cleansing



MarsdenCuckoo wrote: Thanks for the insight re. the numbers.... suppose if the ratio is/was 200,000/110,000 then that's why the island was partitioned/separated on a 2/3rd:1/3rd basis or why Turkey stopped 1/3rd way down?

What a pathetic silly goose you are indeed!
110,000 thousand was the entire TC population, living all around the island, and they represented just about 18% of the total Cypriot population. The rest, 82% were GCs! Turkey occupied 36% of Cyprus (not 1/3) for the sake of only the 18% of the people that constituted the TC community. Therefore, the 18% of Cypriots (the TCs) currently live an area corresponding to twice as much of their fair share, as a community, and they enjoy the illegal possession of usurped properties twice as much as they used to legaly own in total before 1974! What a silly goose you are!

MarsdenCuckoo wrote: Sincerely, I am not trying to make light of people's suffering - there has obviously been a great deal on both sides as there always in in war - but to move forward people need look forward, not back.

:) Christine


You are just making a fool of your self, besides carrying out pro-Turkish propaganda! That’s all you are doing!
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